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Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Gianluca72, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Hello friends,
    I can not understand ...
    this lovely lot of porcelain dogs and cats, are marked Bavaria fine porcelain, but one of them, despite being identical shape to the others, is marked T.Limoges ...

    can you help me to understand?

    Some of them are also numbered ...

    I would also like to date these elements to complete my knowledge.

    Thank you all

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  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    This situation illustrates a common practice - a pottery company would make un-decorated wares called "blanks" (figurines, table wares, etc.) and then those wares would be purchase by "decoration companies" who would "finish" them and sell them on. Often the only marking is that of the decorating company. Thus you can see figurines with the same shape and design number decorated differently and marked differently.

    I suspect that both "T. Limoges" and "Bavarian fine porcelain" were the decorators - and frankly, who the manufacturer of the blanks was is irrelevant. Even the "Bavarian" ones have badly applied "decal" markings - one was applied backwards, others so badly applied you cannot read the words.

    Very likely 20th century, but exactly when is also irrelevant to their worth.
     
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  3. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    I agree with bakers.
    you post great photos Gianluca:)
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    what they both said...!!!! :happy:

    lovely little cats & dawgs.......but that's all they are....
    Still....a good education to be had !!
     
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  5. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Thanks a lot for your explanation,
    it's always a great pleasure to read your answers and learn everytime more.
    :) Best Answer
     
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  6. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Thanks a lot :)
     
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  7. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    @Bakersgma
    Regarding your explanation, I was thinking that it's really a pity;
    the quality of the porcelain was not attributed the right value, the right merit, to the manufacturing company that created the beauty of the form. Instead, the decorating companies, some painting, some drawings, the backstamp underneath were valued, and the game was done.
    But I think they were wrong, because a model had to be unique for a single decorating company, so that it could preserve the exclusivity, uniqueness, and instead these patterns were sold identical to different decorating companies, and from my point of view this is a damage image.
    Sevres and Sevres style or Capodimonte and Capodimonte style come to mind, i can understand that "smart" business, but this is another matter, it is not "style"; these are identical models on which each decorating company then customized and inserted its own backstamp, it is not very nice to realize it. It would have been much fairer if each model created had been distributed to a single decorating company, and another model different from the previous one to another decorating company. In this way the elements would have been unique not only in the decoration, but also for the model itself.
    Why did they allow all this instead? From my point of view they were not very smart about business. Today we find ourselves backtamps that no longer interest, because the relative models are not exclusive, I can find them anywhere, with other backstamps. From my point of view it is a considerable damage to the image of the decorating companies, which lose their business value, and that they created themselves, just to make money faster. But today the knots come back to comb. Here it is, identical dogs and cats with different brands, what a pity.
     
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  8. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    I think they are all fake marks, from China.
     
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