Featured Engraving ID. I'm stumped.

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  1. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I have some info: the engraver was Daniel John Pound, and it was published by Albert Henry Payne (himself an engraver) in Leipzig c1845/50. But I can't find the artist, and I'm not certain of the title. There's a chance the artist is known now under a different spelling. The title, I think, is Mesa, based on looking at old fraktur script online.

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  2. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    That's BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Stunning.
    Meta, a woman's name, at least here in the Netherlands. No fraktur imo.
    The artist's name is Pietrowski (pinx.t), who I haven't found yet either.
     
  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Maybe Antoni Piotrowski?
     
  5. jsnggltt

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  6. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I never would have taken that lettter for a "w". Not sure about Antoni, but possible.

    You found it and I didn't. Did use most of those search criteria, but had the painter's name wrong.
     
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  7. jsnggltt

    jsnggltt Well-Known Member

    It looked like an N to me as well but when the search yeilded no usable results I went with W : )
     
  8. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    That site attributes the print to Payne's Universum. I haven't found definitive information on that publication, but it seems to have been an annual. (Could have been a monthly publication with annual compilations.) A search of Abebooks shows dates ranging from 1845 to 1865 (the Library of Congress has 3 volumes: 1845 to 1847). Unless it continued for quite a time after 1865, Antoni Piotrowski doesn't seem possible, but who knows... could have been his father (assuming the trade ran in the family).
     
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  9. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Lovely image!

    It wouldn't surprise me if it's "Pietrovsky" with a "v". But I can't find anything in Google.

    The site showing the other copy might be correct... or might not be.
     
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  11. jsnggltt

    jsnggltt Well-Known Member

    That link seems to infer it was a publication prior to 1858
     
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  12. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    The style of this artist looks like it might fit.

    The article in the first link doesn't mention prints. But in the second link, I assume the black and white piece is a print and not just a black and white image of a work that has color. This is a Google translation of the accompanying text....

    "Entertainment in bed. monogrammed and dated middle right. Oil on canvas, pulled on chipboard."

    I don't know what "pulled on chipboard" means? It could mean it's a print?
     
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    Middle name is Antoni too. So maybe. This image struck me as similar.
     
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  14. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    His last name is spelled "Pio..." rather than the "Pie..." that's in the signature, which presumably is significant.
     
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  15. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    It's promising. The time period looks good (1813 - 1875) and he did, on occasion, use similar lighting:
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    The black and white picture I'm showing is an engraving after a painting and is by an artist other than the originating artist.

    The spelling is an issue. Maybe it's meant to be a Germanizing or even Anglicizing of the name.

    Access to the volume of the Universum that contains this image would answer the questions.
     
  16. i need help

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    Who would have authored the Title?
     
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  17. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    I would think the printer or publisher.
     
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  18. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Don't know, but the lettering was usually independent of the image. When an image shows a plate mark, the lettering usually falls outside that mark.

    Pound was expert at stipple engraving, as this detail shows:
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  19. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Yup, I understood that about the engraving being after a painting and that it was done by someone else. What I was trying to say was that if his paintings were reproduced as engravings, there was no coroboration of that in the article. It doesn't mean there were no engravings of his paintings, though.

    It could be the engraver or publisher goofed with the spelling. Also, as I'm discovering with my genealogical research, until the 20th century, the spelling of surnames wasn't as fixed as it is today.
     
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    It’s Beautiful! I hope it can be pinned down.
     
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