Identification and terms for large platters need

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  1. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    My Mother collected these platters while in Jakarta. I am looking for ages and terms to research for getting value for insurance purposes only. I do not want to sell. Some I know to be stick and spatter. Not sure about the yellow one. I am getting a file of pictures and info so when my daughter or granddaughters inherit they will know whats what. I have a lot of stuff. Trying to underwhelm rather than overwhelm my heirs! I 'm not ready to go just yet! Merry Christmas to all. And thank you for any info. The largest one is 18 inches and the next largest is 17". The first one with the fern like flowers has a mark that reminds me of Churchill but i can not find that they made anything like that. i put cinnamon in the mark to try to make it stand out. The yellow one is 14" What would these huge platters have been used for? IMG_20211225_095626367.jpg IMG_20211225_095722272.jpg IMG_20211225_095824192.jpg IMG_20211225_100439430.jpg IMG_20211225_100458031.jpg IMG_20211225_100131047.jpg IMG_20211225_100142299.jpg IMG_20211225_100151993.jpg
     
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  2. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    They remind me of "gaudy welsh". I'm not too familiar with it, but it may give you a starting point for searching.

    The size may indicate they are a "charger"

    Here is a site that explains a little about Gaudy Welsh. I think the first piece you pictured fits the bill perfectly, based on what I read here.

    https://antique-marks.com/gaudy-welsh-pottery.html
     
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  3. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    That's what I was thinking too. It doesn't show up here much, but I've seen it before. That Hanley mark means it's British for sure; that's one of the Stoke-on-Trent towns. I'm no British pottery expert so that's as far as I get.
     
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  4. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    I love them.
     
  5. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

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  6. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    It's not Gaudy Welsh. That copies Imari wares to some degree, and usually has gilding. The colours are all wrong, too.

    The first one looks like early nineteenth C Scottish spongeware. I doubt the yellow is British. It looks, if anything, Provencale.

    The Mann and Co mark is late 1850s.
     
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  7. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    OBB The link I provided says the following. Now I'm confused. They have a pretty narrow definition of Gaudy Welsh. I suppose as in a lot of things, a lot gets passed off as Gaudy Welsh when it truly isn't.

    Gold lustre, silver or gold gilding, is not considered a true part of the Gaudy Welsh pottery palette.
    And pieces that include this should be described as gaudy-esque rather than Gaudy Welsh.
     
  8. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your replies. I knew some of what i have were spongeware . Thank you for the specific Scottish spongeware. Many in my collection are of that type. I will investigate further for Scottish spongeware marks.
     
  9. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    There's a lot of misdescription out there. ;)

    @Lark post more of the spongeware if you like? Much Scottish wares are unmarked.
     
  10. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I just wanted to offer another search term. Sometimes the hand painted designs of this type are described as Brushstroke or Brush Stroke. I'm not sure about what the yellow one is either.

    I also found Mann & Co in Godden's book of marks.

    Also a possible reason the some might use the term "gaudy" Staffordshire. I found this in a book called Anglo-American China, Part 1 by Laidacker from 1954. It's not a term I'd use but it may explain it.

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  11. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the leads and details. I have about 30-40 pieces so will not share them all and man of them not as old or as large as these 5. Here are two more 14" ones. Both are marked copeland.
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  12. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Another term to try. The yellow glaze one is similar to some British Canary Ware however I'm not sure it's British.
     
  13. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    On the yellow bowl, are that rim and black looking painted areas luster (or lustre)?
     
  14. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    No, just paint. I do not believe there is even a glaze over the paint since in some areas the paint is worn.
     
  15. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    I think the canary ware maybe spot on. That is the closest I have seen even though none just like mine and none as big. I imagine not to many of these huge platters survived. I hate taking them down to clean.
     
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