Antique Print. Was this a bank "give away"?

Discussion in 'Art' started by Mill Cove Treasures, Dec 20, 2018.

  1. Mill Cove Treasures

    Mill Cove Treasures Well-Known Member

    I have a version of an antique print.
    Harleston after Pierre-Antoine Baudouin (17th Oct, 1723 - 15th Dec, 1769) titled Les amours champetres.

    I found three different versions. Two are in the Louvre. One of those, has a blank cameo at the bottom of the print. The other, has a crest in the cameo. Then there is the version I have, which, has a different crest and the name of the head of finance with the banks address. From Google translate, it would seem that he's banker and/or head of finance to the King. Bank giveaway/advertisement?

    Here is the link to the version with the blank cameo

    https://art.rmngp.fr/fr/library/artworks/pierre-philippe-choffard_les-amours-champetres_eau-forte

    This is the version with the crest inside the cameo

    https://art.rmngp.fr/fr/library/artworks/harleston_les-amours-champetres_eau-forte

    This is the version I have. It has a different crest in the cameo. The name of the head of Finance and an address.

    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-art-collect...res-france-bank-litho-ornate-frame/1261018093
     
  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The inscription starts A Monsieur (À Monsieur). It was given to him, not by him. Probably his family crest in the cartouche. (I refuse to recognize things as cameos just because they are oval!)
     
  3. Mill Cove Treasures

    Mill Cove Treasures Well-Known Member

    Thank you. Cartouche works. I usually visualize a cartouche with architecture or Egyptian hieroglyphs and jewelry.
     
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  4. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member


    'Cartouche' is particularly appropriate here, since the line encloses identifying information, the way an Egyptian one designates a group of hieroglyphs that go together to form a name.
     
  5. McAdder

    McAdder Well-Known Member

    But your version seems to be the most common one.

    https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/pre-1800-1707-c-french-engraving-les-1872472904

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Engraving-...-C10pix4closeup-size-MAKE-OFFER-/273564246382

    https://www.todocoleccion.net/arte-...-amours-champetres-amores-bucolicos~x38096662

    One offer says its a hand colored engraving, which would be an original, a lithograph would be a much later repro. Another says its a collotype
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ollotype.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3-0C78aM_8lQgYRMqaCjAy

    Are you sure it is a lithograph?
    Like @Bronwen said the original was dedicated to the Intendant des finances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intendant_des_finances and member of the conseil du roi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conseil_du_Roi which makes him more a secretary (of state) than a banker, thus I don't think its a bank giveaway, its simply the version, the reproductions were made from.

    There seem to be also different sizes https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Gravure-Les...pres-BAUDOIN-grave-par-CHOFFARD-/331795789040
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2018
  6. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    The image with empty cartouche will be a printing stage "before titles". There were probably several such stages. The engraved framing, the armorial, and the lettered titles were probably each done by a separate specialist.

    Of the three links from McAdder, two show the crest with 3 stags, but the third shows the crest with the lion rampant and different titles (which I am unable to read).

    At a guess, the painting was engraved when in one collection, and that's the image that has the lion rampant crest. Those titles probably name the original owner. It was then purchased by, or presented to Trudaine de Montigny, and the crest and title of the associated engraving updated. But that's all just conjecture.

    The print could have been re-struck or reproduced in a dozen different forms subsequently
     
  7. Mill Cove Treasures

    Mill Cove Treasures Well-Known Member

    Thank you everyone. I didn't grasp that in Google translate. I took some quick photographs (horrible lighting). This is the actual print that I have. It's in an antique mirror. When I have more time, I will be taking the backing off and removing the mirror and the print to do some work on the frame. Hopefully, I will be able to get better photographs then. P1360501 (2)ps1rs.jpg P1360370 (2)ps1rs.jpg P1360383ps1shd.jpg
     
  8. McAdder

    McAdder Well-Known Member

    I don`t know, in your new photos of the edges, it looks like the browning of the paper is also printed on, which would make it a reproduction, (a lithograph or even a modern print). Maybe the originals were given out by royals to important persons with a personal dedication, but then there would likely not be many originals with the same name. If it is a frontispice of an old book, there could be many with the same name, but not different ones.
     
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