Nails from a painting age

I have searched for articles providing detailed information about Kruyder's working technique or detailed photographs of his paintings, (particularly views of the back which would show construction methods), but have not been able to find any for comparison with yours. For example, it could be helpful to see if he typically worked in such thin layers that the weave of the canvas was still visible, as shown in the detail you posted. The impasto technique is not diagnostic, as it was used by many artists.

He does not appear to have been studied very much, which might actually make him more attractive for a forger.

Perhaps you could try contacting a museum which has examples of Kruyder's work in their collection, and speak to a Curator familiar with his style and technique. The Frans Hals Museum in Haarlem, Netherlands, seems to have a number of his works.
https://www.franshalsmuseum.nl/en/event/herman-kruyder/

 

He did seem to experiment quite a bit with the ideas of various art movements and their artists. (For instance, the OP's work is heavily influenced by Cézanne.) And here's a still life of Kruyder's that appears to use the same setting.

If you haven't found it already, this Dutch site has an extensive visual archive of his work.

https://rkd.nl/en/explore/images#filters[kunstenaar]=Kruyder,+Herman

Debora

 

Thanks and I also have been searching to see pictures and more information about the used canvas and different ways he used to paint . But very hard to find online and really after the Corona XXXX time have to show the directly to a expert off Kruyder .

 

Still on the search about my painting and found by the reverse image search on Yandex this painting (on the right hand site ) by Avraham Atzmon 1917 - 2008 . On the left hand site is my painting by Kruyder . So similar painting but reversed so left and right opposite . Any idea how this could be ?

 

Interesting find. The most obvious explanation is that the artist of your painting saw and copied the painting by Atzmon. He may have even worked by projecting an image of the Atzmon painting onto his canvas as a guide, and could have reversed the image by reversing the slide.

Please provide a link for the Atzmon painting that you found. It would be helpful to learn more about this specific painting, and be able to see it in more detail. I have not been able to find the same image.

 

https://il.bidspirit.com/ui/lotPage/source/catalog/auction/633/lot/74824/אברהם-עצמון-1918-2008-שמן-על?lang=en

Agree that one painter most likely made a reverse copy of the other painters painting . But Herman Kruyder was born in 1881 and died in 1935 and Avraham Atzmon lived from 1918 to 2008 . So to me it looks more that Atzmon copied Kruyder because off these dates ?

 

In my observation this was probably purchased as a canvas only. The job of attaching it to the frame is too sloppy for it to have been originally painted on. The framed canvas looks like it was pushed in and created the buckles. It is a very nice painting. You may find holes from the first mounting giving you an indication of nails or possibly staples if you suspect it a modern copy that might help you in your search. Good luck

 

The date of your painting is still in question. The nails and the staples both seem to point to mid 20th century or later. If the painting is older than the nails and staples suggest, an explanation might be that it has been restretched, or lined. If so, there should be evidence visible on the edges of the canvas. If it was transferred to a newer stretcher at some point, there may be evidence of more than one series of nail holes through the canvas. From what I can see in your photos of the back of the painting, it does not look like it has been lined. But if it has, you might be able to see evidence of more than one layer of canvas along the folded edge or the edges where it is stapled.

In order to solve this mystery, I really think you will need to take the painting (or detailed photos) to a curator who is very familiar with Kruyder's work. There is simply not the right kind of information published or available on the internet.

 

will have a very close look to the painting this week and let you know . Agree with you about a proper look by a expert on this painter .

 

You could try chemical analysis of the paint. Very expensive. If you know someone with a hand held XRF, that would give you some idea of the elemental composition of the paint. My gut feeling is a 1950’s painting in an older frame.

 

could be a plan but the painting must be made before 1935 . Painter died in that year

 

If the painting was actually done by Kruyder. You should pursue your research with an open mind. Signatures can be copied/forged.

 

I know so busy still with some experts here in the Netherlands about the painting .