Where is this pot from, what is its material and what is it for?

Discussion in 'Metalware' started by Thomas Chan, May 11, 2022.

  1. Thomas Chan

    Thomas Chan New Member

    Hello everyone, I got this from online bidding and the information said it is from Germany.
    I looked at the bottom and i found 4 marks. There are two marks that look like an angel and i am not sure if they are the "zinnengel" or "Bleiengel". That's why I am not sure if the pot is made of tin or pewter. If it is pewter then it might not be usable. Also, I would like to know what this pot is exactly for, like pitcher, coffee/teapot or wine pot.
    Thank you!
    Pot-side.jpeg Pot-marks.jpeg Pot-bottom.jpeg Pot-front.jpeg
     
  2. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    A hot water pot.
    Has the appearance of pewter to me but do wait for more learned people to chime in!
     
  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Zinnengel and Bleiengel are both angel marks, shaped like an angel, usually sideways with the wing(s) on one side. Your marks look like crowned letters, so crown marks rather than angel marks.
    Btw, Zinn is tin or pewter, Blei is lead, Engel is angel. There is also a Zinkengel mark, for zinc.

    I don't know the mark on yours, I have some references but can't find them now. Maybe others can help.
    In the meantime, since you know the German words and their translation, maybe this page in German with photos and identification of the three metals can help you to determine the metal of your pot:

    https://www.baumfalk-ankauf.de/zinn-erkennen-testen-anleitung/
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2022
  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Voting for pewter.
     
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  5. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    Pewter would be my guess as well. Very nice old vessel, with a goats head on the grip, that body-integral spout...and the unusual location of the lid's hinge, parallel to the grip-spout axis. That thing has some age to it!
    Could the goats head somehow be significant to its intended or customary contents...like goats milk 'stead of hot water?

    Looks like someone has worked areas with a pot-scrubber, or coarse steel wool. Pewter cleans well with silver polish, I've heard...if'n you wanna go there.
     
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  6. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    Also, you mention possible uses for it...all of which are ingestible. A long period of European history saw the use of Pewter for table ware. Why you think it might not be useable, if it is indeed pewter?
     
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  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I can't see the detail very well, but maybe it is a ram's head?
    Ram's head effigies have been used since antiquity, as various religious symbols. Because of their use in Classic times, they were also used as decoration from the Renaissance on.
     
  8. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    Old pewter contains lead, there are modern pewters which are lead-free.
     
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  9. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Look for the number 95 to identify relatively modern and safe pewter.
     
  10. Thomas Chan

    Thomas Chan New Member

    Here I post more photos of it pot1.jpeg pot2.jpeg pot3.jpeg
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Looks like a ram's head with small horns.
     
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