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Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by ascot, May 12, 2022.

  1. ascot

    ascot Well-Known Member

    I'm sure this majolica tobacco jar or humidor is either German or Austrian. Any ideas on what region or country her costume/head covering is supposed to represent?

    Thanks so much!

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  2. PepperAnna

    PepperAnna Well-Known Member

    Maybe Greek, Turkish, or Middle Eastern? I get that vibe from the earrings.
     
  3. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

  4. LauraGarnet02

    LauraGarnet02 Well-Known Member

    This might be archived or cached somewhere with a description and maybe pictures of a maker's mark. For me, using phone for internet there are a lot of things I can't access. The link takes me to the whack-a-mole, repetitive pop-up Pinterest site.
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  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    About the costume only, not about the country of manufacture: If those things on her head are flowers, I would guess Bulgaria or thereabouts. Bulgaria also has extravagant coin jewellery, including long earrings.
     
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  6. ascot

    ascot Well-Known Member

    Y'all are fantastic! Thank you so much!
     
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  7. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    I suspect it's meant to be Orientalist rather than of one particular culture.

    Debora
     
  8. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    She's blonde, tho'.
     
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  9. LauraGarnet02

    LauraGarnet02 Well-Known Member

    White slavery. Harems. Millions of Europeans were kidnapped and taken to the Muslim world as slaves. It went on for centuries.
     
  10. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    A bit exaggerated on the numbers and timespan.

    And the "Muslim World" isn't Oriental.
     
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  11. LauraGarnet02

    LauraGarnet02 Well-Known Member

    Centuries isn't an exaggeration. It took Spain 8 centuries to get rid of the monsters. Ireland, England, Scotland, all along Europe white Christians were kidnapped and shipped to North Africa and Saudi Barbaria. Millions and millions of them. It's historically accurate.
     
  12. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    That lovely bit of hyperbole and Islamophobia, mixed with inaccuracy, means you join my Ignore list.

    It also displays a depth of ignorance about Moorish Spain.
     
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  13. LauraGarnet02

    LauraGarnet02 Well-Known Member

    You can throw around all the -phobia words or even -ist or -ism words you like. It doesn't change historical events.

    I've noticed over the years I've been coming in contact with these type of works, that a lot of Austrian artists and sculptors and porcelain makers liked to romanticize the sexual slave markets of Islam. I don't know why.
     
  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The 'monsters' had a civilisation that could teach ours a thing or two.
    Moorish Spain was important for European philosophy, science, and arts. And it was far more tolerant than Reconquista Spain, which is why nearly all Sephardic Jewish people were forced to leave Spain after the 'monsters' had left.
    Thank God there were other states ready to welcome the Sephardim, including Venice, The Netherlands, and..... Islamic Turkey.

    And don't get me started on slavery in and by the Western world.
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Just an example of the legacy of Moorish Spain, used by European scholars and academics from the Middle Ages up til this day:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes

    In denying the value of Spanish Moorish civilisation you come very close to denying the roots of our knowledge today.
    It is thanks to scholars throughout the Islamic world that we know Greek philosophy, for instance. They preserved and studied it at a time when Europe had forgotten all about it.
     
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  16. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    It was the Catholic Church who burned and murdered Sephardi, regardless of whether they'd converted.
     
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