Featured Late Qing Teapot???

hey guys,this is my latest collection,i got this teapot or wine jug maybe,the seller said it was late qing or late 19th century,i've gut to bought this one,because i think i'm familiar with it's pattern,people usually called it "famille rose" even i think this pattern is not so famille rose,so i want to know what your opinion guys,anyone can help me to identified or sharing any information that i missed here,hope i dont just bought any random 20th stuff! thank you for your help!

 

No lid?

 

This one was on Pinterest\Etsy.

 

I agree, a lot of Famille Rose is not as rose as you'd expect, and this still counts as Famille Rose. It is very pretty, and looks late Qing to me, but it is missing a lid.
Here is one with lid that sold for $72 in 2018:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chinese-porcelain-teapot-Qing-dynasty-Guangzu-famille-rose-fencai-enamel-/253556920380?nma=true&si=rBg3HbBbB5n5ZqCpHMUUQPsWU1A%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I noticed you use a green lighter for size, so do I.

 

I would think rather late Republic. That yellow is too bright, at least in the pictures.

 

I thought they were already using bamboo for the wrapping of the handles in the late Republic period.

 

I don’t know what kind of wrapping they used in Late Republic but compare the colors and the drawing of the flowers and leaves.

 

And the bird...
Famille Rose is a Western term that I also use to attract attention but I’m not a big fan of it. I’d prefer to use Fencai enamels.

 

i think this is a good hint,thanks

 

I agree, the detail on the other teapots is better. But whether that is due to the period or the skill of the maker...?
It is difficult to judge the colours on the different photographs. If only we could put all three teapots next to each other.

About the yellow colour, I've been trying to find my notes from a course which I took in Oriental glazes. We are talking the 1980s, and can't find them anywhere.
What I do remember is that the colour differences in yellow depend on the minerals used and where they were sourced. Similar story as underglaze blue, really.
That light yellow was also used for Imperial yellow, which your teapot isn't, of course.
Sometimes two shades of yellow, from different minerals, were used in the same piece, like on this Kangxi cup:


Not porcelain, but enamel on metal, Qianlong period, note the difference in yellow on the kettle (two shades of yellow) and the burner:


On these sites are some pieces which also have that more light lemon yellow:

https://www.chinese-porcelain.com/news/5-polychrome-decoration-on-chinese-porcelain/

https://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/index/8372-chinese-ceramics-fencai-mark/

I do agree with kard that you have to watch out with some yellow glazes, but as far as I know that applies to Famille Jaune. Famille Jaune pieces are generally existing pieces which were redecorated with yellow glaze in the early 20th century.
A separate group are the yellow Peranakan wares, which are genuinely of the Peranakan porcelain period, mid 19th - early 20th century.

As to the term Famille Rose, certain French terms have been used in the West for centuries. The 'Famille' terms and Celadon (after a character from a French play) are well-known examples.
The Chinese terms varied throughout history, fencai was only introduced in the 20th century. It is quite possible a new term will emerge in a couple of decades.
I sold Chinese porcelain in the pre-internet days, and in Europe we used the European terms, which were the general terms used outside China. Most of the pieces in my shop were 17th-18th century, so pre-fencai. When they were made they were called yangcai, foreign colours.
Because of the name changes, I think it is fine to use the more general 'Famille' terms, especially if you are not sure of the period. It is not snobbish or incorrect, it is just a centuries old name collectors of all ages know. If you want to use another term, that's fine too, as long as people know what you mean. After all, what's in a name.

 

I agree that the differences in the drawing styles can be due to the artist skills. However, each period has their drawing
characteristics. There maybe some variations but general details are always the same. There is usually more than one style in each period but still there are some key features in each of them. We are talking about faces, outlining, leaves, flowers, dragon scales, tales, claws, bats, birds, other animals, diapers, etc
Few years ago I started making a database with images of all of the above and how they differ during the different periods and style. Too bad I never completed it.
As to the colors, it’s the same with the drawing styles. True, you can have more than one shade of a color used during a period but still there are some general rules. And is not only then color itself but the type of enamel and its application.
I’m fine with the “Famille” terms but it’s good to know what Chinese called the different pigments and technique used.

Also, Chinese does not differentiate between porcelain and stoneware, for them it’s all the same. In West we have different understanding of those two terms.

 

maybe it could be from same period but with the different purpose like the one for local market and the other for mass export so maybe the quality of the drawing could be different in the pattern,thank you guys for the information!