How can I remove a fake Chinese mark from a vase

I have a chinese vase but the qianlong mark looks fake to me and probably done in a later period. It is hand painted over the glaze (not underglazed painted).

How can I remove this safely without damaging the vase or glazing. Can I use some pure alcohol? to dissolve the paint and wipe it with cotton buds orso?

I assume it will not leave any marks because the glazing should not have soaked in the paint?

Any suggestions?




Top is a original qianlong mark and bottom is the one i believe to be faked.

 

Just curious, do you know what your mark says? It's not exactly the same as the other one.

 

I can't explain it very well, but the prolific use of these marks on modern goods is not intended to deceive. They are not called fake. In fact, your efforts to remove it would make a buyer more suspicious than if you left it alone.

 

I dont know what it says. I assume that they wanted to mark it as qing qianlong. But I'm not so happy to say it is qianlong. These marks in the circle bother me. Bad calligraphy

 

I know what you mean. Qing dynasty lasted until 1911 orso, but I guess it should have been written correctly. This mark looks like it was done by someone who didn't understand calligraphy and made many mistakes. Even the marks that were done in the 19th century and early 20th were spelled correctly.

I guess the mark is done in a later period than when the vase was made. if I remove the mato than I bring it back to its original condition? Nobody would like to buy a vase with a mark like this. Guess it puts people off and will never get a good price for the vase

 

You are an astute buyer who can determine that this mark is fallacious. But you are making a lot off suppositions with respect to the timing of this mark and when the vase was made. Maybe this vase is just what it seems - a later vase. I don't know. As a non knowledgeable buyer, I would think you had deceived me by removing this mark. You are right though, I wouldn't buy it with this mark. This is just my opinion. I hope this does not offend you in any way.

 

In my experience, highly unlikely this was added by some later purchaser after the piece had first been sold; it was almost certainly placed there by the maker when it was made. There is a very long history in China of using marks from an earlier era on pieces made to commemorate earlier work. I agree with Kiko, it would not be fair to the buyer and could actually hurt value if you remove it. Gotheborg says it like this http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturychina.shtml:

"It is said, that the only rule that is really certain when it comes to Chinese reign marks, is that most of them are NOT from the period they say. Still the marks are something of a fingerprint of the potter and its time. If carefully studied they offer a great help in identifying the date and maker of most Chinese porcelain."

 

Could be that the person who made the 2nd mark was Left Handed.