Unidentified chinaware - possibly faked?

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  1. franrose

    franrose Active Member

    When my great grandmother’s husband came into some business success in Los Angeles in the early 1920s, she took the opportunity to remodel their bungalow and furnish it with fine things. She gathered examples of three recognizable patterns of English china, plus a dozen of the dish pictured. It looks like European “chinoiserie,” but the marks are really odd: a gold anchor mark (Chelsea?), plus the inscription “made in France.” Why “made in France” and not “fabrique en France?” I’ve sent photos to one of the big “We buy china!” enterprises, and they couldn’t identify it. I am beginning to think it’s fake. Any thoughts? - Thanks! Fran

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  2. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Well, they are probably (Derby-ish?) reproductions all right, but they look like very nice quality. I don't think I would call them 'fakes' exactly, as I don't think there is any intention to deceive - more of an homage to the originals in my mind. Very lovely too BTW!
     
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  3. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Made in one of the many Limoges factories for export to Great Britain.
     
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    i need help Moderator Moderator

    Does anyone think it’s in style of Imariware?
     
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  5. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    I don't normally think of Imari as having quite that much green and images of critters strikes me as a bit strange. But I suppose it could be a Depression era interpretation of Imari. I do rather like the pattern.
    Don
     
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  6. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I believe they are based on a Chinese pattern that morphed into a lot of English designs of "dragon in compartment".
     
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  7. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I'm with sis. Not Imari.
     
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    3C8B3132-30BD-4D5C-AABA-35051B5E33D1.jpeg That’s it exactly, Thank you!
     
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  9. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    oops - just saw the Worcester one ..good spot!
     
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    I’m sure you are right, I was just trying to establish the name for the pattern. Guess I was unclear. :)
    SIS nailed it!
     
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  11. franrose

    franrose Active Member

    Woot woot! You guys rock! Thanks, everyone!

    I can’t say I care for the design all that much - at least there’s only twelve plates not twelve settings, platters and tea pots!

    The use of English rather than French finally makes sense, if these were for export. The “a” in ‘made’ and ‘France’ is so distinctly French-looking, I thought there was no way these plates were made outside of Europe.

    Fran
     
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    Love your cat, Fran! :):cat: Looks soooo soft.
     
  13. franrose

    franrose Active Member

    ( Thanks! That’s Gracie, our British Shorthair kitty. )

    “Kylin” is one name for this pattern, eBay Ireland...
     
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  14. blooey

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  16. franrose

    franrose Active Member

    Interestingly, many have no marks on the back. I would think it would have been standard practice?

    Also, most versions have the design elements (compartments) separated by outlines rather than solid dividing lines...

    Fran
     
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