Featured Translation Help Chinese Document ?

Discussion in 'Ephemera and Photographs' started by bosko69, Dec 18, 2023.

  1. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    This is some kind of (I assume) Chinese Document.The two cent stamp in the lower right hand corner has an image of the Great Wall on it.Any ideas greatly appreciated. jap3.jpg jap2.jpg jap1.jpg
     
  2. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Here's what I got (laughably) on Google Translate for Japanese & Chinese-

    Jap Trans.jpg

    Chin Trans.jpg
     
  3. Kaiserpoo

    Kaiserpoo Well-Known Member

  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    You've got to love google translate.:joyful:
     
  5. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

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  6. Kaiserpoo

    Kaiserpoo Well-Known Member

    It’s Japanese. Looks like some kind of money ledger
     
  7. Kaiserpoo

    Kaiserpoo Well-Known Member

    甲午年 Happens every 60yrs. This one is probably 1894
     
  8. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

  9. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    thats what i thought as well mos
     
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  10. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Charlie-great little (esoteric) Manchu research site,Bravo !
    Thanks for the feedback Kaiser !
    This Forum's one of the best generalist sites out there-top tier w/ extremely dedicated participants.
    The Asian translations have always proved a challenge though.I could visit the local Chinatown,Chinese Market or museum ?
     
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  11. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    Japanese, Bosko, an' the stamp is inna lower left corner...just sayin'!
     
  12. gckimm

    gckimm Active Member

    Hi:

    This is a Chinese bill of sale totaling, in Chinese currency, 79 dollars and 70 cents. Kaiser is correct about the repeating 60-year cycle of years but the year is 甲子, not 甲午. It is from the year 1924, not 60 years earlier or later, verified by the Chinese Republic revenue stamp affixed to the bottom left corner.

    The items listed were a little puzzling to me, as there many weapons: two large swords? three bows (as in bows and arrows)? The weapons were too archaic for an army in 1924.Research on the first items listed proved to be the key. They are 金瓜月斧 or “golden melon and moon axe." In modern times these ancient weapons--the first one a mace-like hammer and the second an axe shaped like a half moon--are used in martial arts. My conclusion is that this gentleman was buying supplies for a martial arts studio or martial arts students.

    Greg
     
  13. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Greg-That's awesome,what a curious old receipt.I wonder if the martial arts weapons were 1920's production,or older cheaper used pieces ?
    PS-Cheap for him,not currently for Us !
    Melon Hammer-


    Melon Hammer.jpg
     
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  14. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    The Asian Art Forum responded (first time !),and agree with the helpful G C Kimm (thanks again).Here's what the Asian A.F. translation says-

    Message
    This is an invoice.
    All the items listed are antique weapons or army related commodities that are believed to have been used during the Ming and Qing Dynasties.
    Such as maces, knives, swords, sticks, nailed sticks, long bows, flag stands, sword stands, racks,corpse racks, flags, praying tablets, incense candle holders, boxes, toiletries, signs (even fight refusal signs) etc.
    Quote-

    '蒙光顧 Your patronage is appreciated
    67 items listed
    合只該銀柒拾九元柒毫 Total amount 79 Silver Yuan and 7 Hao only
    朱星如先生   To Mr. Zhu Xingru
    甲子年 壱月十三 Year of Wood-Rat (1924) January 13
    義記未算 Yi Ji money is not accepted'

    The issuer's rubber stamp is illegible.
     
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  15. stracci

    stracci Well-Known Member

    This is very interesting! Kudos to all who helped translate.
    Also, Asian Art Forum has been very helpful to me in the past, by identifying some of my Japanese prints.
     
  16. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Stracci-I've sent one (2 ?) things into the AAF before and not heard back.This time though both our Chinese experts were incredibly generous.
    PS-Love Japanese prints,just don't know how to ID an early 19th century strike with later 20th cent woodblocks.
     
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  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ditto. I have also identified a few items on the AAF, and not heard back from the OPs.
    It is not a forum like ours, where everyone flocks together to try and help. It is more a matter of who happens to be there.
    There is very good knowledge of mainstream Chinese and Japanese items, but very little to none of some other parts of Asia, like the Malay world, Sri Lanka, or tribal and non-organised cultures.

    They also have no idea of Chinoiserie and other Orientalist art, which occasionally ends up there. They are of course an Asian arts forum, not Western art, but it would be nice if they could at least indentify it as non-Asian, instead of leaving people in the lurch.
     
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  18. stracci

    stracci Well-Known Member

    Maybe I got lucky, when the right people were online.
    It can be really hard to tell an older print from a 20th century print, since the printing process and paper style are essentially the same.
    Artelino is another helpful website.
     
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  19. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Too bad, @bosko69, that your bill of sale didn't also come with all those old weapons!!
     
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  20. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Even a few old brown photos would've been appreciated,would've love to have seen those weapons.
     
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