Featured 18th century copper candle sticks.

I can buy these candle sticks but thw seller is asking top dolkars for it. So need confirmation what they exactly are before I purchase them.

He is offering them as 18th century candle sticks dating approx 1730s?

To me they look more Art Deco 1920-30s period and possibly German because of the helmets they are wearing. He send me only these pictures so sorry for that.

The seller told me the marks read Niez, Diez or Ciez with a number 1732 (that's why he thinks they date from the 1700s). And there is also a makers mark which reads J.M.

any info/input is welcome

 

Hi,
Definitely not 18th cent. Looks like Davey said Wiez 1932.
greg

 

Transitional Art Nouveau/Art Deco, possibly German. The helmets are hair with little skull caps on top.
The number could be the design number, which could include the WIEZ, since the signature is JM.
They are very attractive, a beautiful design, but top dollar should pay for top casting, which this is not.

 

I agree, definitely post 1920. These are valuable, signed with good condition and great examples of the style.

 

Look like pewter to me. Have seen these before but can't place them and can't find another right now. Definitely art nouveau period and the date there might be 1902 or even just a model number. These would be fairly valuable so the purchase might be OK depending on price. Just not 18th century.

 

Thx all for the input. Happy that I asked first for more info. This helps me out a lot. So my suspicion was correct. Art deco area and possibly German

I don't think they are pewter. They do look bronze to me.

I know we don't talk prices here. But I can buy them for £500 GBP for the pair. To me the price is about fair if they are from art deco area period. But I'm looking for deals. So only the signature/maker can make the difference in this situation. Am I correct thinking like his?

 

This pair sold for $1,500 AUD about £900. The auctioneer doesn't say who made them or show any marks.
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/11337625_39-a-pair-of-art-nouveau-silver-plated-figural-candles

 

Danke fur dein hilfe. That's a good find! Yes exactly the same design. Shame they didn't mention more info regarding the artist or such, they could have done a better job researching them for a auction house. I do feel now more comfortable buying them.

These silver plated ones in the link date 1905. The ones I can buy date maybe 1902 if I read the marks correctly.

Could the silver plated ones which were sold in auction be later castings of these? I assume the auction house would have mentioned the makers marks and others if the piece had some.?

He send me a other picture of the mark. Looks like 1902.

 

It would certainly be closer to 1902 than to true Art Deco.
To me it is transitional Art Nouveau-Art Deco.
Continental European Art Nouveau started to move away from the very elegant, flowery designs towards stronger, bolder lines and shapes. Art Deco didn't just happen one day, it evolved slowly from Art Nouveau.
The French 'Société des artistes décorateurs' was founded in 1900. They started gathering decorative arts and funds for the exhibition Art Deco is called after, the 'Exposition internationale des arts décoratifs et industriels modernes'.
The exhibition was originally planned for 1915, but due to WWI it was postponed till 1925.
In 1902 continental Europe was in the middle of the transition from Art Nouveau to Art Deco. In Britain and North America the transition was later, which can lead to some confusion as to the date, but these are very much continental European candlesticks, so an earlier date.

 

Any Jewelry. Knap hoor (impressive). I've read it with much interest.Wish I had only half the knowledge you got.

 

Graag gedaan! (Pleasure)

 

There is so much more going on behind a object! These couple of last weeks I'm watching art documentaries over how the art transitions happend to impressionism, cubism, serialism, dada and so on, and what it means and why the artist groups did this.. I totally see art now from a different perspective, its like a puzzle fall in place. Im also able to judge and undeestand them better.

You know what they say 'knowledge is power', and that is really true.