18th Century Silver Spanish Coin.

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  1. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    People of Knowledge, your assistance is requested.

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    I picked this up at the local flea-market today, and damn near branded my hand doing it (the result of the coin sitting inside a display-case for two hours in scorching heatwave conditions). Got a good discount on it and brought it home.

    I've been trying to research it, but I'm coming up a bit short.

    It's Spanish.
    It's 90% silver.
    It's a 2 Reales coin.
    It's made in 1788, during the reign of Carlos III.

    From what I understand of the markings on this coin, it's also possible to tell where it was minted, but I can't figure it out. Can anybody help with this?? Assistance is appreciated!

    This is the oldest piece of silver I've ever had :p
     
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  2. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

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  3. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Around the rim, it says:

    HISPAN - ET - IND - REX - ME - 2R - I - I

    So:

    Spain & *something* - King - *something* - 2 Reales - *something* - *something*.

    I can't figure out the blanks.
     
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  4. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    2 Reales, I don`t see a mintmark which should be in the monogram but that appears worn.
    It could be from any of the colonial mints in Mexico, Peru even the Philippines.

    It is a heavily counterfeited coin by the Chinese.

    Two important tests to be sure it is a real Reale.
    It should weigh 6.766 grams, no more, a tiny bit less is allowed due to wear.
    Buy a Rare Earth Magnet, they are cheap on the internet.
    Place an Aussie non silver copper/nickel 50 cents at an angle and the magnet will not adhere to it, it will just slide off fast.
    Put it on the subject coin and if genuine silver it will slide off gradually.
    There are numerous videos on YouTube explaining testing silver coins with a REM.
    I`ve just tested a suspect US Half Dollar from 1854 and it was fake.

    Warning :
    Never place a REM near to a moblle phone or car remote, it will wipe the memory.
     
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  5. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

  6. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Hi Dave,

    I weighed it on the most accurate scale I have. It said 7g, but below 10g it's not very accurate. It won't do decimal points for something this light.

    I purchased the coin from a lady whose husband regularly travels to Europe to buy antique coins (over the years they've had LOADS for sale). But I suppose I could take it to a local jeweler I know and perhaps he can test it.
     
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  7. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    The husband could have been conned, the fakes are very good, some having the same weight.
    I see many at antique fairs and flea markets.
    The one I just had came from another dealer, I bought 7 old silver US coins from him but the Half Dollar was a dud.
    I doubt a jeweller would know, try a coin shop or better still buy the magnet, they are only a few dollars and you have it for the future.
     
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  8. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Here are the US coins I bought.
    The fake is bottom left.
    No way of knowing until it was tested, it weighed the correct amount.
    I did receive recompense for the return of the fake.

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  9. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Yes I understand that. What I was saying was, I'd take it to the jeweler to test whether it was silver or not.
     
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  10. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    The jeweller should have accurate gram scales but don`t let them test it with acid otherwise it will cause damage, real or fake.
     
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  11. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    OK. But there are other ways of testing without acid or damaging the coin, right?
     
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  12. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    XRF Electronic tester if they have one.
     
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  13. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    The only non invasive test that is available apart from specific gravity is the XRF scanner, given the cost of these it is unlikely smaller business would have one. A major refiner or scrap yard might but they'd possibly not want to mess around with testing oddments for non customers.

    The wear looks normal and it is not a valuable coin, so I'd just assume it is right.

    Drop it on wood and see if it sounds like silver.
     
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  14. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    BTW I'm not sure whether this has any bearing on it or not, but this coin is also very thin. It's all of about 1mm thick.
     
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  15. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Davey, I'd never seen the magnet test before, so that was informative to me! Thanks!!!
     
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  16. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I carry mine wherever I go, you just have to be careful where you store it, they are really powerful.
     
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  17. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Maybe u don't want it near the puffy pouch......;)
     
  18. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Warning :
    Never place a REM near to a moblle phone or car remote, it will wipe the memory.


    How near, I wonder? People do have a habit .of rabbiting on on trains.
     
  19. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I'd lay odds this one's real. Who'd fake a coin with that much wear on a coin this relatively common?
     
  20. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Coins have been faked since coins were invented.
    Faked to deceive to gain an advantage.
    I see coins from the 1700`s called contempory forgeries,These coins were unofficial copies and were often made to look like well worn currency as their intention was to pass as legal currency.
     
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