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Grandma used this to serve her cranberry sauce, apple butter, etc.
I have looked it over carefully and find NO marks..
Also, the lid is nicely engraved while the frame has some kind of hoofed dragon, but the top fits to a T. The glass fits nicely in the frame.
Couldn't find any matches with google search.
Thanks for your help. Patd

 

My guess would be that the glass bowl may not be original too. I would have expected the insert to have been straight-sided rather than tapering so much. The lid clearly does not fit the bowl, but whether it goes with the frame is not clear either. Can we see the lid from the side by itself? Since it fits down into the bowl, I assume it is also too small in diameter to sit on top of the frame?

 

Sorry, I have NO clue..........BUT I like the Dragons and the hooves!!!!!

 

Thanks Bakers for your help. The inside of the lid is above. It looks like the little 'bolt' is soldered to the peg of the final. The lid is smaller than the opening of the frame.
My take is that the bowl and lid are more 'sophisticated' that the holder and may have been together perhaps in another frame.
The lower part 'frame' just happened to fit.
Is there a special name for dragons with hooves?
Patd

 

If there is a name for "dragons with hooves" I don't know what it is.

What I actually wanted to see was the lid from the side - like it's sitting with the finial up in the first picture but without the bowl in the way. The way the lid fits inside the bowl instead of resting on the rim of the bowl is not normal for a bowl and lid that started life together.

 

I think you have to see the hooves as their own design/structural element, separate from the creatures that form the handles. One of the standard bases for lamps made from carved helmet shells has sirens at the top but feet that often look like goat hooves. Wasn't able to find a really good example, but this is the idea:



The legs and hooves have nothing to do with the sirens.

 

There is a rim inside the bowl that the lid sets in. The fit is perfect.
I'll try to get a picture tomorrow.
Patd

 

My completely uneducated opinion is that all parts are original. I find it just too implausible that grandma found a bowl that is not only just the right circumference to fit inside the frame, but also the right height. The tray on the bottom reflects the bowl beautifully. If the glass insert had been cylindrical it would have covered over more of the tray and could not be reflected to the same extent. And then to find a lid that happens to fit perfectly on that ledge around the inside of the bowl?

BTW, I love it.

 

I'm in partial agreement with Bakers.

I don't think the bowl is original to the stand. However, because there is a lip inside the bowl, (which is rather unusual), and the lid fits perfectly, I think the lid is original to the bowl.

If the bowl with that lid were original to the stand, you would expect to see some repetition of design from the lid to the base or vice versa. I see nothing to tie the lid to the base.

 

That gave me pause too. But then, I don't see any relationship between the design of the dragon legs to the parts they support. The lidded bowl looks like it has a very small area to sit on & might be unstable without the support of the frame. If there's a marriage here, Grandma is a better matchmaker than Dolly Levi!

 

Matchmaker or no, Grandmother's table must have looked smashig!

 

Oh! I could not see that. That certainly does change things.

 

Good find INH. Griffins and hoof feet look very similar.
Guess if the were 'born' together will remain a mystery.
And, yes, for being a farmer's wife, Grandma set a very elegant table especially for Sunday dinner!
Patd

 

What bothering me in that piece if somebody paid me to examin it is that it's nothing on the base which really remind in the cover decoration.
The base is late Premier Empire, cast feet and handmade redecored, the cover is made on a lathe by knurling method.
There is a "godron" in french around top of the cover that you can found normally on the base and I can't see it on the pictures, same with the knob design.
But they are a lot of objects which have been completed through their life, and we have to accept them as they are.
A "marriage" is normally in our professional french language something so nicely made that you can't see what was done without disassembling or really close looking, it's expensive to make and only used with really nice items.

Bonwen's shell lamp is a piece we see often on markets made somewhere with no books and no internet connection, sorry to kill shells to make that…