Featured Antique Painted Pin

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  1. Brubaker50

    Brubaker50 Well-Known Member

    I have a curious brooch pin and would like some help , don’t know anything about these .Its silver I think size just under 2 inches by 2 inches any help appreciated thank you. 65AF8271-0C12-4326-AC16-E0BDBA08F498.jpeg 62BCFD5D-CB2F-4E8D-B131-832F9F0E5E82.jpeg
     
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  2. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Those painted porcelain plaques are usually German.
    KPM was one of the main maker.
    The subject of a woman smoking is... breathtakingly unusual!:woot:
     
  3. Brubaker50

    Brubaker50 Well-Known Member

    Yes thought it was unusual will have a look to see thanks for the pointers.
     
  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Smoking! That is unusual. Wonder if her deshabille combined with the cigarette signals she's a woman of easy virture. (G** I hate euphemisms, especially when applied to women.) Better said... a prostitute. Suspect so as she appears to be wearing boudoir garments. And that would explain the quality of the piece. Inexpensive and of low quality in its time.

    Debora
     
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  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

  6. Brubaker50

    Brubaker50 Well-Known Member

    Would that be German style scroll work around the piece ?
     
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  7. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    So would she be described as "smokin' hot" back in her day I wonder:confused:
     
  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I think the lady could be my favourite 19th century lady (and countess ;)), the amazing Lola Montez. She was a smoker, didn't feel any need to comply with convention. She also had a relationship with Ludwig I of Bavaria, so this could be Bavarian porcelain.
    She was not a prostitute but a woman who knew her own mind and lived by it. A true power woman.
    @Bronwen , Lola alert.:happy:

    Lola with cigarette on an 1852 Daguerrotype:

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    https://www.anothermag.com/fashion-...ontez-dancer-countess-whip-wielding-socialist
     
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  9. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

    That cig is defying the laws of gravity as it's positioned next to the index finger.
     
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  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    As I said, Lola was amazing.:hilarious:
     
  11. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    So you are calling it a pin. I can only see a hinge. Is there a pin? Because I was thinking might be a lid for a box.
     
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  12. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Oh come on! She obviously had a magnetic personality!
     
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  13. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Another clue that the image is that of a prostitute is that her hair is not fully pinned up.

    Debora
     
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  14. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Lola was an adventuress, like Irene Adler.
     
  15. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    I think the pin is missing buy I think I can see the catch for the pin opposite the hinge?
     
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  16. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    D82C2A1B-4C41-4A6D-9787-35FD3B7BA774.jpeg Not likely helpful, but there’s a number here.
     
  17. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    Oh, Thanks, I see it now.
     
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That only proves that the lady was likely to have spent most of her life outside Victorian Britain or countries with similar restrictions.;)

    Elisabeth of Austria, queen and empress, cousin of Ludwig. By no means a prostitute, but a respectable woman who did not live according to Victorian values, simply because she had nothing to do with anything 'Victorian'. Most of the world didn't.:) (Not that the Austro-Hungarian court was much fun...)
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    Elisabeth (Sissi) also smoked in public, btw. And she had a tattoo.:D
     
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  19. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Ah... The "I got you." exception. But to point out the obvious... The pin does not depict a woman of position in a formal portrait. She's wearing her night clothes with her hair undone and smoking a cigarette. In Victorian times, those would have been instantly recognizable attributes.

    Debora
     
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  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Not so much in 'K und K' times (Austro-Hungarian), or in Berlin in those days, for instance.
    Victorian is specific for Britain and countries that followed British customs. Britain was notorious in the rest of Europe for its restrictions.
     
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