Any coat of arms-type experts here? Wooden box needs id help

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  1. Nutcracker

    Nutcracker Active Member

    IMG_20180422_151108~2.jpg IMG_20180422_151931~3.jpg This old box was probably made for cigarettes.
    Forgive the badly focussed images but the carving is very finely done and I'd love to know what it is meant to signify.
    The message is stuck inside the lid, just to add another dimension. "Just a small token from an admirer. Senator" (This box and I are in the UK and I can't think of any scenario here that has senators).
     
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  2. Huntingtreasure

    Huntingtreasure Well-Known Member

    Can you please provide more pictures, and a reference of size.
    Thank you, :)
     
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  3. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    United States Navy seal.
     
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  4. Nutcracker

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  5. Nutcracker

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    It's similar but not the same. The eagle sort of wears the shield on the us navy crest. This bird doesn't look like an eagle and it's standing on top of the shield.
     
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  6. Nutcracker

    Nutcracker Active Member

    See above.
     
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  7. Hollyblue

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  8. Huntingtreasure

    Huntingtreasure Well-Known Member

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    Seems to match this version. I will try to find out more, im not certain this is an official presentation, as it is not labeled.
    Sorry, I duplicated Holly. I was still typing. ;)
     
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  9. Nutcracker

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  10. Nutcracker

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    Shame the senator didn't sign his name or I might have been able to date it.
     
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  11. Hollyblue

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  12. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    No seagull I have ever seen has such muscular legs. Theirs are like sticks. ;)
     
  13. Huntingtreasure

    Huntingtreasure Well-Known Member

    Maybe you could guess a rough date, by checking when this version was used.
     
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  14. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    @Nutcracker Do you have any decks of playing cards to try out in the inside spaces?
     
  15. Nutcracker

    Nutcracker Active Member

    I do. Assuming all playing cards are the same size, they fit top to bottom with a couple of mm to spare, but have a good couple of cm (about an inch) spare on the side, so I'd guess it's probably for cigs rather than cards.
     
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  16. Nutcracker

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  17. Nutcracker

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    I'm trying but getting nowhere.
     
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  18. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Just a guess.... sometime in the last 100 years.
     
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  19. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    And I think that "sometime" might be closer than you think.

    I just compared a standard deck of playing cards to current day filtered cigarettes. The top to bottom comparison is remarkably close. To me, that means that if the box was for loose cigs, the cigs were assumed to be filtered. I'm not all that up on cigarette history, so I don't know when filters were added, but I would not be surprised to find that the date was mid-century or so.
     
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