Any Iznik Pottery Experts Here?

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  1. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    I bought this 21cm tall Iznik style tankard at auction yesterday in a mixed lot. It has damage but not too much if it happens to be an old piece.

    I read Christie’s guide to Iznik pottery and believe it to be either a 17th or 18th c Iznik piece or a 19th c French or Italian one.

    Any experts got an opinion?

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  2. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Well in my opinion it does have some age, not ancient by any means and of course the designs are Isnik-y ....but the body does seem to be a bit more European rather than what we usually see in pottery from Turkey, not impossible to Turkish of course, but due to the rather impractical form I suggest it is a late 19th or early 20thc fantasy piece rather than anything designed for everyday use.
    The use of the clear overglaze is also suspect, one does not find that in Italian pieces, normally that treatment is reserved for northern European productions, although with the rise of late 19thc studio potters anything is possible.
    To sum up, I do not think your piece is Turkish.
     
  3. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Flowers are carnations or pink, which isn't very Turkish. I wonder if it's Spanish.
     
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  4. i need help

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    Maybe @Mat can say for sure.
     
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  5. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

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  6. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Isn't that interesting? Certainly not Spanish. But who knew that tankard form was associated with Turkey?

    Debora

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  7. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The shape is called a hanap.

    Debora
     
  8. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Interesting they're using carnations.
     
  9. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    From wikipedia.org...
    • Since Ottoman times, red carnations and tulips are used in the interior wall paintings of mosques in Turkey. It is often said that while tulips represent God, carnations is the symbol for Muhammad. However these flower designs are not unique to mosques but also used in many other Ottoman traditional art forms.
    Debora
     
  10. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    After a lot of research I believe that the piece is a French or Italian copy c1890.

    Ive found a few with near identical decoration by Cantigali but marked.

    Not the find I hoped for but for £7 it’s okay.
     
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  11. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Strange that your piece has that kwaart glaze though, not sure, but I don't think the Italians used that, did they?
     
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  12. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    Not sure about that to be honest. I will have to be very guarded in my sale description I don’t want to list anything incorrectly. Islamic specialists were not interested in it but a good auction house suggested French or Italian.
     
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  13. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    AFAIK that clear top glaze is usually associated with Dutch pieces although with art pottery and the late 19thc craze for Orientalism ...well ...good luck with it anyway.
     
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  14. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Learned my something new today: kwaart. Only knew it as tin or lead glaze.
     
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  15. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    It is not Iznik IMO and does not look like the late 19th - early 20th c Kutahya copies, nor like the 1930s Greek copies, so I guess it is from some other place. However it certainly imitates Iznik tankards. Maybe indeed French or Italian...
     
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