Featured Applied Sterling on glass

Hello,
As I said in my intro, I generally collect Sterling as a hobby. I did stumble onto these two pieces. I'm guessing maybe from 1920-40s? There are no marks other than Sterling on the rim. The design on rim has Grecian urns and flowers. Any info as to date and possible glass maker is much appreciated.

 

Looks like something a decorator would have done try Silver City or Wheeling decorating

 

Thank you for the lead.!

 

Those are very nice pieces hunting, the engraving looks beautiful did you check for an acid mark hidden on the base or bottom of the pieces?

 

sometimes I've been lucky taking photos with a flash and marks show up by accident.
Also I'm not sure if the patterns are etched or cut on the glass but they look very well done
What are the 4 square/blocks pieces in the design?

 

My thinking is slow tonight - maybe take a side view photo of the cake pedestal piece and perhaps @TallCakes would know the maker?

 

I've been poking around but not finding anything the same. Here is an example of Hawkes engraving that made me think of your plates. I could be way off base but I think your pieces were done by an elegant/higher end company
http://chataboutdg.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=12692
Have you posted these on the glass message board? There was a gal that hung out there that seemed to know every border pattern possible - I don't know if she is still around but it might be worth a shot.

 

here the link for the glass message board - I would post these in the USA glass section
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php
Your one pattern is very close to Tiffin Minton design

 

sorry, I should refresh before posting

 

did you try this group on Facebook?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/39428408562/