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Featured Assitance With Various Antique Portrait Miniatures & Tidemand Print

Discussion in 'Art' started by George Chaney, Nov 14, 2022.

  1. George Chaney

    George Chaney Well-Known Member

    Picked these up a month or so ago and was hoping to get some assistance in dating and identifying along with any additional details you can help with;

    1st is a George Washington miniature portrait after the original Stuart portrait in bone frame with what looks like latin paper on the back of the frame. The miniature is signed Stuart. Image measures about 3 1/4" high by about 2 1/2" wide. Appears to be original paint with losses, I assume it is painted on bone given the white background,

    2nd is a A.Tidemand portrait miniature. I am unsure as to the medium/print method. My assumption was the bit was late 19th century. I have two of these, they are both done using the same technique. I do not know the titles of the pieces which would be lovely. These measure just under about 5" x 5"

    3rd is a hand painted frame wiht a cut out from Roberto Hoesch Milano. I am assuming this is from 1890's but would really just like to verify the frame - which is two part - wood insert with the round cut out I guess 3 if you count the glass. Frame is about 5 1/2" squire OD

    4th is a small porcelain? painted portrait in a rococo frame. The frame measures about 6" high. The portait is unsigned, and measures about 2 1/2" x about 2". There is a mark on the back. I'd like to know if anyone knows who the mark is, and the age of the plaque and the age of the frame - estimated of course. The sitter is Raphael Sanzio and done after his self portrait painting.

    The 5th is again a small porcelain? painted portrait. Measurements are about the same as the other. I have not been able to figure out the sitter. it is unmarked and so I have no idea how to date it, etc. Any help you can provide would be wonderful.

    Thanks in advanace for your assistance !

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  2. George Chaney

    George Chaney Well-Known Member

    IMG_2324.JPG IMG_2325.JPG IMG_2318.JPG IMG_2319.JPG IMG_2323.JPG IMG_2314.JPG IMG_2316.JPG IMG_2317.JPG Additional photographs
     
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  3. George Chaney

    George Chaney Well-Known Member

    Other Tidemand print

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  4. Houseful

    Houseful Well-Known Member

    The one in the painted frame is a copy of this Vigee Lebrun.
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  5. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    The text on the back of Washington is German.
     
  6. George Chaney

    George Chaney Well-Known Member

    Thank you @Houseful that is nice to know as I was not going to remove it when I sold the frame:)

    Thanks @Roaring20s do you think this is possibly german origin?
     
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  7. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    I don't know about its origin. I see many mosaic frames pictured on the internet with an oval opening, few with a square opening, and none yet found with the decorative metal(?) appliques.
     
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  8. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

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  10. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    The German text is from Christian Scrivers writings. The book is Seelen-Schatz. The following is from a different edition.
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    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Seelenschatzes_Kraft_und_Saft/lQwwpIdtW3MC?hl=en&gbpv=0

    If this was purposefully placed on the back, the meaning may be in this portion of the translation.

    "The mother of Jaebet, an Israelite of the tribe of Judah, gave him this name, which means a sorrowmaker, because as she says, that she bore him with sorrow, but afterwards he became more glorious than his brethren. For it is common that those children who are born with great danger afterwards do great things in the church or in the worldly government, which, because Satan notices, he would like to kill them in childbirth, which would also happen if GOD did not particularly preserve them."

    Interesting.
     
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  11. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Typically, that type of backing -- old texts -- is used to give an object the appearance of greater age.

    Debora
     
  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ditto. I think any symbolic meaning is coincidental. Any old book will do.;)
     
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  13. George Chaney

    George Chaney Well-Known Member

    Wow! Thank you all for your help! Great bits of information! Any ideas on the two prints? I personally - and I don't know anything about this type of stuff - was thinking the tidemand prints were old lithographs from the late 1800's as I was assuming that they had dots that were random. The paper these are on is textured so I am really not definite on anything.
     
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  14. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The Tidemands are genre scenes, not portraits. N. W. D. & S. appears to have been a Norweigan publisher of post cards in the 1890s-ish. However, the card stock the images are printed on appears to be much newer.

    Debora
     
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  15. George Chaney

    George Chaney Well-Known Member

    Thank you Debora!

    Now, to figure out pricing...sigh...
     
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