C.P. Hervey Coin Silver spoon. Has anyone come across this maker?

Discussion in 'Metalware' started by J Dagger, Jul 30, 2019.

  1. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

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    Just bought what I assume and hope is a coin silver spoon for about the melt price of the silver. It’s marked C.P. Hervey. I can’t find his name anywhere in about 20-30 mins of googling. I did find a reference to CP standing for Cape Province on silver so that’s a possibility. Hoping my lack of ability to track down this silversmith means it could be a rare/valuable spoon. More than likely it just means my research ability is lacking though lol. Anyone know this maker or have the ability to track it down? I’m probably going to buy the Flynt & Fales book to have on hand. Thanks

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  2. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

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  3. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

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  5. J Dagger

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  6. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    This is the spoon I just bought. Outside of this eBay listing I can’t find it. There’s mention of the name in an old eBay listing but when you google search but when you click it you don’t actually get a CP Hervey spoon.


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  7. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    :D:D:D:D:D:D Still a mystery then.
     
  8. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Si si :)
     
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  9. Kronos

    Kronos Well-Known Member

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  10. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    Usually uncommon means not sought after rather than 'rare'. Most coin silver is selling under scrap these days.

    May be the mark of a general store rather than a maker too.
     
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  11. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

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  12. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Certainly could be the retailer. I don't see it go much under melt super often and will usually buy it when I do. Some common stuff definitely seems to go at a small to nonexistent premium. I see plenty go for well over though. I'll agree that if you are going to find silver under melt it's a good area to look in vs others.

    I would agree about the uncommon thing too but when it comes to early to mid 19th century coin silver in my limited experience it's more rare/valuable.
     
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  13. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    That's awesome thanks! I'll follow that lead some more. My family has roots in Maine so this would be a pleasant surprise if it turns out to be connected.

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  14. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    My best guess is that it's the C Hervey that Bakers found, who would have been the retailer:

    Calvin Hervey, a watch maker and jewelry store owner in Bangor, then Camden, then Belfast, Maine.

    While the "P" doesn't show in anything I've found so far, his mother's maiden name was Plummer, and that MAY (my guess only) have been his middle name.

    https://mainestatemuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Maine-Silver-Watches-and-Jewelry.pdf
    Hervey, Calvin: JLR, GS, WM & CLKM; JLY, W & Fancy Goods, Bangor, 1834-ca. 1838; Camden, ca. 1838-1842; Belfast, ca. 1842-1896


    Total conjecture:
    What if he changed his mark after one of his moves?
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  15. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I think you read the site info wrong, SBSVC. Plummer was Calvin's wife's maiden name, not his mother. In fact there's no mention of his mother there.
     
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  16. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    In case anyone cares, Calvin Hervey's mother's maiden name was Jane Campbell.
     
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  17. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Well, darn! There goes that theory...
     
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  18. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    I would say that changing his mark after a move is a definite possibility

     
  19. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Looks like he had two other sons who were jewelers or watchmakers. They were called Morris and John. It’s likely/possible he worked with another silversmith in the area named Edward Baker from 1845-1850.

    Maybe one of the sons had a son who also worked in silver?


     
  20. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    It's Maurice, Morris. And both he and John apparently never married and died without issue. Maurice in the late 1890's in Seattle (where he was a carpet merchant) and John at age 21 (1882) in Belfast. So that would be an interesting idea, but it doesn't work.
     

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