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  1. Grandmasattic

    Grandmasattic Active Member

    IMG_9051.JPG IMG_9050.JPG IMG_9053 (1).JPG I found an old quilt with some writing that I struggle to make out. Can anyone read what this says? I can only make out the dates and the word "died"
  2. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    At the least its from 1869 so Id be gentle with it. What are the measurements? It looks more like a table runner from here.
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  3. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    William Shall(?) borne June 16, 1793. Died (?) 22, 1869.

    (?) (?) (?) (?) (?)

    (?) thing is my (?) this material.

    ...eh I can't make out anything else.
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  4. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    This is what I make of it ...

    (Cethern?) (Shultz?) born
    June 16 1793 Died No (November) 22
    (Since?) that time I have
    these thing in my (?)
    this material
    (?) I D... Maria L Duby
    a (?) Hanover
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  5. Rob Langdon

    Rob Langdon Active Member

  6. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    It was probably a full quilt and this is all that is left hemmed to preserve it.
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  7. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    There is a Shultz family in Hannover, PA.


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  8. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    the writing would have been done after the person died obviously but how long after hard to tell . I did a little research into Ink from that time period. It was probably gum arabic( used in water colors) and oak gall. One person that made their own ink this ways said it was water and Sun fast . here is another link that says it is permanent. Of course during that time period they were writing on linen.
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  9. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    How about Catherine? Born June 16, 1793 in Pennsylvania. Died November 17, 1869. From ancestry.com.

  10. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I'm reading the last bit as "this material was 1 Dollar a yard", followed by a name, Mina L (Schultz?)
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  11. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    Often you need to read what you can and inject meaning for the rest. Spelling and grammar is rarely correct. I can relate and am glad for spellcheck. ;)

    What Debora and moreotherstuff wrote is very likely.
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  12. Grandmasattic

    Grandmasattic Active Member

    Thank you guys for the feedback! I think you might be right Deborah! I called it a quilt for lack of a better term but it looks almost like a long pillow case in that it looks like something is meant to go inside it. There is an opening at the end. It measures 48x16 PXL_20230124_172159700.jpg
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  13. Grandmasattic

    Grandmasattic Active Member

    Here is a better picture sorry for the quality of the previous one. Does anyone else see "the thing in my poop"? PXL_20230124_172712493.jpg
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  14. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I think it's "in my care"
  15. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Unlikely. Perhaps a contraction of "possession", or something else with similar meaning.

    I think @moreotherstuff is probably right that the notation on the bottom left says "this materiel was 1 Dollar a yard". This struck me as very expensive for a 19th century fabric. It may have seemed exorbitant, too, when Mina included that notation (otherwise why comment on it?). But according to Clues in the Calico, by Barbara Brackman:
    "Abigail Adams wrote of paying $6 per yard for muslin imported from India in 1798. In 1832, American calico was 37 1/2 cents a yard and it dropped to around 12 cents by 1843".
    So, $1 a yard might not be out of line for an early 19th century date, but worth remarking on later in the century.

    Catherine Schultz could correspond with the C S initials on the back.

    I don't think it can be accurately called a quilt, as there is no batting, and no layers stitched together. It is a simpler one layer patchwork, perhaps originally larger, and designed to cover or contain some additional pillow(s) or padding.

    If you want to try get a better idea of date, you could try to examine the sewing thread used. Cotton sewing thread became common after about 1800. With magnification, you might be able to determine the thread structure, which is a feature that can be dated.
    dating cotton thread structures.jpg
    (Also from Clues in the Calico)

    3 ply thread was the earliest to be manufactured, and continued in use. 6 ply thread with six separate strands came in after 1840. And 6 ply made from 3 2-ply strands after 1860.
  16. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    Perhaps "in my case" and what I thought "Duby" could be "Dubs".
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  17. Grandmasattic

    Grandmasattic Active Member

    Holy cow that is a very well informed and detailed answer thank you! I am learning about the terminology for textiles/fabrics. Do you know of a book that might help me grasp the basics?
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  18. SeaGoat

    SeaGoat Well-Known Member

    "Sins (Since) that time I had (have?) this (these?) thing in my possession"

    Might have been a bag she made from some of Catherine's material and possibly kept some of her items in.
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  19. Grandmasattic

    Grandmasattic Active Member

    I like this theory a lot! A bag seems like a very likely candidate now that you have pointed that out
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  20. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Looks like. The staining is just plain old age; I've seen that before on old textiles.
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