Featured Can you please help identify? Tribal baskets

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  1. Karahbell

    Karahbell Active Member

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    Hello
    I am new to the forum, so I apologize if this isn't the correct place to get help.
    I have inherited these baskets from my grandmother, however I don't know anything about them. I was hoping someone here might be able to help identify what type of baskets they are, perhaps where they might be from as well? Any and all information is greatly appreciated.

    Thank you so much in advance.
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2019
  2. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    If you hit Edit, More Options, Check box for Full Size Images rather than thumbnail, Save Changes, we can see better. :)
     
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  3. Karahbell

    Karahbell Active Member

    Thank you, I dont know why it duplicated the photos though. I'm a newb haha
     
  4. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    That's ok.
    Go back to Edit, More Options. There is a Delete next to the photos. You can take out the duplicates.

    I think the large one and the bowl are Native American. Not so sure about the hot pad shaped one.

    Let's ask the expert.
    @Taupou

    Be sure to check back tomorrow. People come and go all day long.
     
  5. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    It’s Fine, if you want you can Edit, delete extras, save changes, or just leave it. :)
     
  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    @Karahbell
    Don't let anyone take those off you..:stop::stop::stop:... Granny knew her stuff..:woot::woot::woot:....at least for 2 of them......& you know what Meatloaf says... " 2 outta 3, ain't bad !

    The thick tray is a Hopi bundle coiled Yucca item...
    Woven for centuries by the Hopi Women of Second Mesa, ceremonial baskets or trays were given as gifts as thanks for the blessings received during the year.

    The women who wove these treasures would have gathered the natural material from their environments. The designs were of animals, geometric shapes, or most commonly of Katsina images - the spirit essences of of things in the Hopi universe.

    Now Kara....u have information that I don't.....so I will not guess at it's age...or value......but it's searchable.....
    You also leave out size...where you're located, where she got em...and a condition report......so take what I offer next with a grain of salt....

    Now, I am not poo pooing on the Hopi....BUT...The other two...... wow....:rolleyes:

    the domed tray.......Yavapai Apache pictorial ....antique.........sweeeeeeeeeet !!!!!
    https://www.icollector.com/Yavapai-Western-Apache-Basket-Tray_i28933547
    ( just for comparison..)

    The Olla....or vase shaped basket......... Apache pictorial ...antique...lovely !!

    Most Apache baskets were made by the women of the San Carlos and White Mountain bands, but the jicarilla, Mescalero, and Chiricahua Apaches also did basketry.

    Value is determined by beauty, a complex mix of qualities that are subjective and objective, as variable as their shapes and materials.
    The material from which a basket is made determines its design and colour, as well as which technique - plaiting, twining or coiling - is used to produce it. Fibres include stripped branches of shrubs - especially willow branches, straw, bark, grass, roots, pine needles and rushes - in fact, any strong, slender pliable vegetable fibres. These are well tended, gathered at the proper time and then peeled, shaped, aged, softened and trimmed to size, which is necessary before starting to make a basket. Yucca root yields deep red. Sharp-thorned devil’s claw produces highly desirable brown to black for "negative designs." Willow shoots are originally white, but age through to yellow from oxidation from sun and air.

    The Hopi........$$$
    The Apache tray......$$$$
    The Olla............... possibly.......$$$$$ ....if not ..then...$$$$

    I've been dealing in and loving NA Baskets for almost 30 years....but let's wait for the "expert" to chime in.....or for that matter...any of the many experts we have here !! :happy::happy::happy:

    cuz I could be all wet.............................................but don't bet on that !!!;)
     
  7. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    I’m no expert but I almost fell off my counter stool when I saw the Apache olla. That’s a lovely collection.
     
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  8. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    WOW! Congrats Karahbell! @komokwa , I notice that one panel on the Yavapai Apache pictorial is different then the other 4. is that significant at all? Just wondering.
     
  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Well...it's her story to tell, so the weaver likely being a mother herself added the image of a mother horse to one of the panels......maybe the tray was a fertility gift....?
     
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  10. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Apaches like horses as a rule. Maybe the design wasn't coming out even and she threw in Mama as "I meant it to be like this".(LOL) I do that with quilts all the time, so a weaver working by eye might have too.
     
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  11. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    Komo said it all! Nothing I can add, nice collection of baskets.
     
  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Ohh, I think it was intentional...
     
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  13. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    That wouldn't surprise me; the weaver looks like she knew her stuff.
     
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  14. Karahbell

    Karahbell Active Member

    Thank you so much for looking and all of that information on it. Love it! Your knowledge on these is amazing!! I had no idea they were so valuable. My grandmother lived in Southern California, she was an arts history professor and collected artifacts from all over the world as she traveled. Unfortunately we didn't ask her about a lot of the items before she passed, her whole house was cluttered with stuff. I would love to share the rest of the items I received from her on another thread.
    I'm afraid these will dry out where I live...? It's very hot and dry here. How do I store these? Do you know the approximate age?

    I was wondering what kind of animal it is too, it appears to have toes and horns and ears? Most images I searched have just 2 lines on the head, mine has 4. 65531330_10219104609756165_8571412141809074176_n.jpg 65588502_10219104609516159_2689329729856602112_n.jpg 66046209_10219104611076198_8488343312481124352_n.jpg 65466408_10219104610396181_5611460113224171520_n.jpg 65189050_10219104610196176_7335306518067150848_n.jpg 65631742_10219104610876193_4516918063257354240_n.jpg 65486240_10219104611556210_8599640225951514624_n.jpg 65582327_10219104611476208_5404322366048174080_n.jpg 65587800_10219104611956220_6676809339199553536_n.jpg

    Here are the pictures with measurements.
     
  15. Karahbell

    Karahbell Active Member

    Thank you so much for all the information on my tribal baskets.
    I am leaning towards selling them and was wondering if I could pick your brain on the best place to sell them. (ebay, or ?? I have no idea lol )
    I see a lot on ebay, and trying to grasp a value for these. The Apache Tray is in amazing condition and the Olla as well except on the bottom there are a few broken off pieces, but not that noticeable unless you stare at it to find them. You have helped so much already, I really appreciate you. Thank you so much for any more information to help me sell them. <3
     
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  16. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I'd say an auction house that deals in NA baskets...

    you're missing Allards best of Santa Fe.....on soon.

    The fall auctions are the best though...

    Bonhams

    Christies,,,

    Cowans...

    You could sell them on ebay...but I wouldn't.
     
  17. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Lovely, lovely Apache and Hopi baskets. I am jealous.
    Do not worry about them drying out - just handle them carefully - two hands on the sides, not by the rim. DO NOT try to clean them or put anything on them. Just wrap them in a soft cotton cloth to protect them from dust and light.
     
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