Candlesticks 1600s

candlesticks in tin, height 32 centimeters. Stamped 1680, BC and a bird. Something that holds information about these?

 

1680 would not be the date these were made.
More like when the company started
They look like pewter.

 

I think pewter plate...?

@Fid
@Bakersgma

is this a psuedo mark?

 

What do you mean by "pewter plate" Scout?

I went looking in the pewter info site we have attached at the top of the Metalware Forum but did not see anything useful. The term "pseudo marks" is usually reserved for "fake" marks trying to resemble official marks for precious metals. Pewter is not precious, so there's no real equivalent.

 

If it helps, I think Kristin is in Sweden. Maybe a Scandinavian manufacturer?

 

Not knowing where it ws coming from... I didn't think it was tin, with that mark.

And not much about pewter, this was the first thing I came across.

Pewter plate
Pewter Plate: A Historical and Descriptive Handbook

And didn't see this mark - just rambling around, apparently

 

Okay - this book is about Pewter dishes and service pieces and only in England, not pewter "plated" over another metal (which is the way the term "silver plate" is applied.) "Plate" is a now archaic term for dishware.

 

Is there a reason they can't be tin?

They don't look like pewter to me, but I'm at the "wdik?" stage...

It's just hard to research marks without knowing the material.

 

With Kristin being in Sweden (I think), this could be tin. Tin is the Continental European version of pewter, with a higher tin content than most English pewter, for instance. The colour can vary from silver to darkish grey.

 

Pewter is an alloy which includes tin, but it's not always in the same proportions. Varies from place to place and time to time.

 

Ahhh.

 

...ditto...

If by "ahhhh" you meant, *quietly backing away because I cannot help in this situation*

 

I think scouts meant ahhh.

 

Jiffy in June - I didn't know, either, @Any Jewelry. But, I figured it'd pop up again, and do it did!

Because I couldn't find the mark in that neat searchable link, Fid's remarks about psuedo marks came to mind. It all goes in the brain pan... No judgement on the authenticity.

That's why we have people like @Bakersgma (and @Jivvy and @Any Jewelry and @komokwa and SO many more, and sometimes even me) we can count on to tidy things up.

 

Strictly speaking - it is tin. Partially. Pewter is a tin-copper alloy. More tin, less copper = pewter. More copper, less tin = bronze.

And yes, "plate" is an old-fashioned term for silverware. As in "wrought plate" ("worked, or manufactured, silver plates") and so on.

 

Yes I am from Sweden. It’s tin, I have it confirmed.
I also got theories from a friend it may be German.
Is there any German in the forum?

 

It’s correct! 1680 is when the company started.
Can’t identify the stamp“BC”

 

The few Germans we have are into furniture, not tin.
What did your friend base the theory on?

 

Pewter is sometimes called tin, tinn, zinn or things like that. Anyway, here is some info on the style in silver sometimes called cluster or clustered column candlesticks. I have looked for the mark is several pewter marks books I have without finding it yet. I'll have a look in a few more when I get a chance.

http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O91565/candlestick-unknown/
This type of square-footed, 'cluster column' candlestick first appeared in Paris in the 1650s and 1660s and soon became very popular in Holland and England, particularly appealing to the austere tastes of Dutch patrons. They were examples of a demand for rich but restrained design which marked the second half of the 17th century. This unmarked example is probably Dutch but could also have been made in England. Such candlesticks often appear in contemporary Ducth portraits and genre paintings.