Chinese Rooster Bowl

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by 2manybooks, Apr 7, 2019.

  1. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    I found this at a consignment shop recently. I have found a similar one online ( http://www.higginsantiques.com/our-stock1/a-chinese-export-mounted-rooster-bowl/ ), which they have dated to the early 20th century, and is marked "Made in China". But the one I have does not have any markings. Should I assume it dates before the 1890 act which required labels for import? Or might it have been collected in China and brought back by an individual (rather than being imported)? Or might it be more recent and lost a paper label?
    Porcelain. Hand painted, with gilt paint around the rim. 6 3/8" diameter, 2 3/4" tall.
    Any other observations are welcome. Chinese Rooster Bowl 5 (640x609).jpg Chinese Rooster bowl 1 (640x488).jpg Chinese Rooster bowl 2 (640x461).jpg Chinese Rooster bowl 3 (640x486).jpg Chinese Rooster bowl 4 (640x637).jpg
     
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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    It's really pretty...but to me , doesn't have much age...
     
  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is a gorgeous bowl, but the thing with Chinese porcelain is that designs were and are copied.
    One thing to check is the colours. Are they exactly the same shade of white, yellow, green, etc as the examples you find online? In this case it is difficult to see for us, but a bit easier for you, since you have it there with you.
    To me the Higgins one has that gorgeous iron red, more like rust than the red of your roosters. The other colours also look different, the Higgins bowl more in keeping with the old, natural colour sources. Do you see the same difference with your bowl 'in real life'? In that case your bowl is from a different period, more recent.
    There was a more distinct colour difference in the recent Qianlong bowl thread with the Sotheby's bowl btw, but again, it is difficult to see if you're not holding it.

    Have you checked for dots yet? Many pieces are part transfer, part hand painted, which makes them seem completely hand painted. A loupe is a great friend in those cases. Check every part of the bowl.

    Any of the above, really. I am not in the US, but I thought the McKinley Act required the piece to be marked with its origin, not a paper label?
     
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  4. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Not transfer ware - all hand painted.

    Yes, comparing colors is difficult, and so dependent on lighting and monitors.
    I found another example, identified as mid 19th century:
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    https://www.lelandlittle.com/l/a-ra...n-punch-bowl-with-rooste/auction/639/lot/342/

    Most of the colors look comparable, including the roosters, but the green is noticeably more intense/garish on the one I have. Do you know an approximate date when the green changed?

    I did not buy it thinking it was particularly old, but became intrigued when I started looking for similar examples. According to the McKinley act, I would expect it to have an origin painted/stamped on the bottom. Other clearly more modern examples I found were not painted particularly well. I have yet to find one that has the same tile-like yellow and pale green pattern in the border - all the others have the key-like pattern.
     
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  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The clay is also different.
    I don't know, maybe @clutteredcloset49 knows? She knows more about later ceramics than I do.
    That's the way it goes. And sometimes you find that you just happen to have a very interesting piece.:)
     
  6. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I saw this thread last night.
    My first impression was new, so did not post as I wasn't sure.

    Paper labels indicating place of origin are acceptable for imports. Think of the 1960s blue Japan labels. They wash off and leave no other indication of origin.

    My personal opinion it that your bowl is newer. They have been importing from China with paper labels since at least the 1990s. Example would be the fake Roseville pottery that come over with little gold oval stickers that said Made in China. Also think of all the little figurines you find at Dollar Store with little gold labels Made in China.

    So just because there is no mark indicating origin does not put it before the McKinley Act of 1891 or 1920.
     
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  7. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Thanks all. I will just assume it is recent.
     
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