Chinese White Jade Monkey & Other Creature Toggle

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  1. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    IMG_5485.JPG IMG_5486.JPG IMG_5487.JPG IMG_5488.JPG IMG_5489.JPG IMG_5490.JPG IMG_5491.JPG I've been looking at this in the local antique mall for quite a while but never dared to buy it as I'm getting sick of spending money on modern jade that I'd think is old.
    Anyways, I got it today. Might not be old but it will be in 100 years:)
    What's funny is that I always thought it was just a monkey. A minute ago as I was taking pics to show it here, I've notice that if you turned the monkey sideways there is another animal at the opposite end.
    Also, not sure but it looks like there is a repair at the head.
    So, few questions.
    Is this Hetian nephrite or not.
    Can you tell the period of production by the carving style or at least if it is trying to look like one?
    The string hole. They are usually round, here is ovalish.
    The eyes. I'm used to see the eyes in jade pieces to be made of inscribed lines. Here they are hollowed. Is that telling us something about the age?
    The spots with the pits. Do they appear naturally after the piece was carved? If they were there before, why the crafter did not polished them?

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    It does look to me like the head has been reattached. The tooling doesn't look to me like it was done by electric grinders or drills. I think the monkey is sitting on another animal's head, maybe a dragon? Really can't comment on the material except that it doesn't look like soapstone.
     
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  3. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    IMG_5557.JPG Looks more like a hippo to me.
    Not soapstone, I believe it is nephrite.
    I think I can explain the eyes. Because the two animal are blending in and the head of the one is the bottom of the other, it won't look good if the eyes were done with inscribed lines and circles.
     
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  4. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    I have looked at the photos 10 or 12 times at this point, and all I see (still!) is a dinosaur embryo!

    (Can't explain it, other than to comment that my son was one of those kids who knew EVERY dinosaur there was. I learned whatever I know about them by osmosis...)
     
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  5. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    IMG_5581.JPG IMG_5582.JPG IMG_5583.JPG Well, the Chinese are more into dragons than dynos but they did all kind of stuff in the early days.
     
  6. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    IMG_5591.JPG SVSBC, I just figured that you are maybe talking about the "monkey" reminding you of an embryo. And maybe it evolved into the other creature.....
    The only embryo jade carvings that I've seen, or at least they call them embryo, are those of the Hongshan culture "pig-dragons".

    I still can't explain the shape of the hole. Using modern or ancient tools would both produce a round hole. Unless there is a reason not to be round.
     
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  7. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    IMG_5592.JPG IMG_5593.JPG It may not be clear from the pictures but the back shows the spinal column of the creature. That may support your theory. Or it is just a skinny monkey :)
     
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  8. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    I emailed Christies, Sothebys and Bonhams. First two not interested, no reply from the third. I feel like this places won't take anything without a good provenance. Especially if the item is something they've never seen before.
    Last time I contacted them was about a Chinese bronze censer. Same story, only Bonhams was interested in seeing it. The piece sold for 8k on Ebay.
    Not having such hopes for this jade but what kind of experts work there.
    Anyway, will probably list it soon and see if Chinese will find it interesting or not.
     
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