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crucifix and marbling technique? or what kind of technique is this?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Irenka, Oct 14, 2022.

  1. Irenka

    Irenka Well-Known Member

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    Me again :)

    With a new religious statuette -crucifix... It seems that there is something in the air that lately I only have antiques with a religious touch.

    He is very interesting to me, all the missing pieces he has are also very interesting imo.

    I'm not entirely sure where we got it as it was left in a box in the workshop along with a few other antiques..

    So my question is whether the technique of how the base is painted could be called marbeling? I know it's not like stone, it looks more like roses... And if you think that age could be determined only by the way of coloring..

    I look forward to your opinions.. Thank you all very much and have a nice day!
     
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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Hi there.:)
    Someone is trying to tell you something....:playful:

    It is a charming folk piece, and the corpus is well carved. (Should I say charming when someone is suffering?:confused:)
    It was clearly important to a family, they tried to reattach the corpus to the cross in a rather crude manner, rather than buy or make a new one.
    You could consider a proper repair, but on the other hand, it is an old repair and part of its history.
    You've got it, flowers and leaves, not marbling.;)
     
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  3. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Yes of course, it's an apt description. :)
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks, anti.:happy:
     
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  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I suspect the roses were done with something like a sponge stencil.
     
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  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I was thinking hand painted. Obviously not by the maker of the corpus.;)
    I wonder if the corpus was pre-existing, and they made a cross for it.
     
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  7. Irenka

    Irenka Well-Known Member

    i am on some what breaking point so maybe really is sign from above:happy:

    I was wondering the same... cross is primitive like someone at home diy and corpus is really fine made... if I'm guessing, can we say it's from the 19th century? or maybe corpus is even older? and was really someone that did not whant to give corpus away and likely made new cross?
     
  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I hope in a good way. Maybe it is a little nudge to help you get things clear in your head and make a decision.:)
    Exactly.
    The cross maybe 19th-very early 20th. The corpus 19th, maybe earlier, but I would guess the period we in the Netherlands and Germany call Biedermeier, ca 1840-1860.

    Just a thought, there is a custom in Austria and southern Germany to dedicate one corner of the dining room to Jesus, with a small wall shrine, usually in a corner. It is called a "Herrgottswinkel".
    Since Slovenian culture is related to Austrian, I wonder if your Jesus could have been made for a hanging cross, intended for a Herrgottswinkel, only with a Slovenian term.
    This card shows a Herrgottswinkel in the corner of a dining area:

    https://oldthing.de/AK-Ansichtskart...irtshaus-Hohritt-Kat-Sasbachwalden-0028922402

    Something could have happened to make the corpus lose its original cross. And since the family valued him, they made as nice a standing cross as they could, with limited means and abilities.
     
  9. Irenka

    Irenka Well-Known Member

    We have this custom too in Slovenia... ok the elderly have this custom to have a little shrine in the household
    from my childhood I remember a neighbor who adjusted the altar according to the period in which we lived, and as a child it was always interesting to me..adjusted to christmas and easter mostly :D

    and i too have a herrgottswinkel in my kitchen :D we moved here and it was there and i didnt have the heart to move it :)

    i am sincerly glad that they had soo much love for this crucifix to fix it no matter what
     
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  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Let is stay, it belongs with the house.:)
    It means a lot, not just as preservation, but also the sentiment behind it.
     
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  11. Irenka

    Irenka Well-Known Member

    Yes i agree it has that sentimental feeling and i just want that he finds his herrgottswinkel or how we would say domači oltar :)

    ohh i send an email today for the saint Andrew that i post the other day and i will keep you all updated.I'm just wondering if they can own it as part of the national heritage? In our country this is very possible..
     
  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Home altar?:)
    The translation of Herrgottswinkel is Lord God's corner, so it is specifically a cross in a corner. With paraphernalia of course.;)
    A home altar is more general, and I think the Austrians had that as well as the "Lord in a corner":playful:.
    Where I live, in the south of the Netherlands, is Madonna country, although people used to have crosses in the home as well, often under a glass dome with hand made wax flowers.
     
  13. Irenka

    Irenka Well-Known Member

    yes you are right :)
    i know that it has some different name here also but i will have to ask my grandma if she remembers the wright name
     
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  14. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Also called house or home shrines here. And in Ireland.
     
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  15. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Here too, for those who must worship a shrine. I like them when they are pretty.
    Apologies but I'd cover the Christmas decor at the bottom with something like gold, or silver, or white foil wrapping paper. The green and red is too distracting for my sensibilities. i could barely pull my eyes up to the figurine nailed to the cross! :)
     
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