Featured Daggy old cracked plate – British or American??

I've got this daggy old plate with a massive chip/crack in it
and a curious makers stamp on the back. The stamp is
F.M. &Co which I believe is Francis Morley of Shelton,
England and the “&Co” is Samuel Ashbury of Philadelphia.
The curious part is the eagle with wings spread on top of
a scroll which suggests American made or at least designed.
I'm not sure if this was an American only issue plate
or they shared all designs. The pattern seems to be called
“Chantilly” but my searching so far has not yielded anything.

OK it's not so daggy but is this an American plate???
Dimensions 27cm Round 3.5cm High 0.68Kg.

Cheers
Stephen

 

Miscstuff, I can't help with the plate but do want to thank you for adding to my vocabulary ("dag/daggy"). Around here I could get away with saying that at least until someone looks it up like I did.

 

Hi,
The stamp says F.M & Co. It is definitely an American company. If British it would say Limited/Ltd never Co.
greg

 

Greg, don't agree with that, the mark for Francis Morley does include FM & Co and there are many examples where a British backstamp end in Co

 

I've not heard this either.
Dodgy yes.

 

Sorry greg, there's loads of china marks and indeed companies here that are & Co. I won't bore you all to death on company law history, but & Co. was very common here until companies limited by law came in. Then, it was & Co. Ltd for example, or sometimes Ltd. But there are still many companies which are & Co.

 

I think it was on Countryfile that I first heard the D word, sheep farmers trimming the sheeps' backsides to get rid of the dags that encouraged fly strike.

 

Asbury was probably an importer or retailer. We'll never know if this pattern was made especially for them. The eagle mark lends credence to the idea, but there's no documentation.

 

Daggy is a real Aussie word, not overly offensive, just used for something worn, tired looking, outdated. It was never meant literally.
It was acceptable in casual speech when I lived in Oz, and I am always happy to hear or read Aussie expressions, even the daggy ones.
So thanks for taking me back to my childhood, Stephen.

 

True. I own plates from at least two British makers whose names end in &Co:
E. F Bodley & Co
and Fell&Co

 

HI,
I am sorry I always thought that Co was an American thing. Remember you are never too old to learn something new.
greg

 

That sounds like me!

 

But in MY case, on this forum, its someone NEW learning about something OLD................even though I am OLD, it all New knowledge, so does that make me an Old Newbie, or a New Oldie?????????

 

I know nothing about this but, it's an attractive plate though with most of the
"daggy" on the back side. Generally speaking, if it's american it's more valuable at least in old furniture, dunno about pottery though.

 

Oldbie

 

Fine vintage

 

And Rhiwfield gets MY vote of confidence for this week........................Yay, the applause is deafening.................

 

Stuck gold whilst searching for Francis Morley and Co. The
archaeology department of Illinois did a survey of importers
from 1820 to 1860 entitled “U.S. Importers of Staffordshire Ceramics
in Antebellum America 1820-1860 “.
It has an amazing amount of back stamp data and pictures.
The file is 20MB and can be found here …

https://sha.org/assets/documents/Staffordshire_ceramic_importers-ISAS.pdf

Alas my eagle isn't there. Looks like it is an undocumented back stamp and
I'll just have to live with that.

Cheers
Stephen

 

Rats. Can't win 'em all. I'd call it a nice wall hanger and leave it at that.