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Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by daveydempsey, Jan 2, 2018.

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  1. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Found in a field just up the road from me.

    Not mine.:(

    Its going to auction later this month.
    Estimate £8000 - £10,000
    20 carat Bishops ring.

    It is engraved with St George and St Catherine and features floral emblems. Beverley Minster is nearby and it’s likely the ring belonged to a priest from there. It dates back to between 1450 and 1550.

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    daveydempsey, Jan 2, 2018
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  2. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Nice! Don't all valuable detector finds have to be surrendered or has this gone through the proper sources? Or am l misunderstanding? (It's not how it's done in the States btw)
     
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  3. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Yes, Treasure Trove laws, a Coroner decides.
    The guy got to keep it, he`s sharing the proceeds (tax free) with the farmer / land owner who gave him permission to go detecting.
     
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  4. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    The Coroner...?
     
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  5. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Yes A Coroner.

    For the purposes of the law, ‘treasure’ means an object or group of objects more than 300 years old with more than 10 per cent gold or silver. There has for a long time been a legal duty to report finds of treasure to the authorities; a coroner will then conduct an inquest to determine wether the treasure was lost (and thus the property of the crown) or hidden with a view to recovery, in which case the coroner must try to trace the owner or any surviving legal heirs.
    If its obvious there is no owner the finder gets to keep it.

    Its a pretty good system and very fair.
    My cousin reports around 10 finds a year and he`s been awarded ownership on every one.
     
    daveydempsey, Jan 2, 2018
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  6. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Bet it was originally enameled.
     
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  7. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Yes Davey that's what I understood. I think it's a great system for protecting history and property while allowing some profit to be had. I wish we had something similar here.

    Sounds like a responsible MD and good of him to share the proceeds though, of course, it will make it more likely he's welcomed back;).
     
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  8. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    It works extremely well: and indeed, my mudlark friends love the Portable Antiquities Scheme. They get to find out what their stuff is, usually get it back, but a record with them credited is then kept in the Museum of London.
     
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  9. Lucille.b

    Lucille.b Well-Known Member

    Fascinating. What a find!

    Thanks for sharing, Davey.
     
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  10. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    YUMMMMMMYYY!!!!!
     
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  11. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    When I went through MY metal detecting phase,all I found was nuts,bolts,bottle caps and 2 quarters !
     
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  12. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    "Coroner' in the US is used interchangeably with medical examiner, whose scope of responsibility is much narrower. An inquest here would not extend to disposition of personal effects.

    Was this officially identified as a bishop's ring? I think of them as being set with an amethyst, but maybe not always so.

    Addendum: Set with amethyst or solid metal, bearing the bishop's seal. This is a spectacular ring but don't see any indication of being ecclesiastical?
     
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  13. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    I follow the London Mudlarks on Facebook. It's a trip on my bucket list for sure!
     
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  14. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I`m just the messenger.

    The 20-carat gold medieval ring will be sold at an auctioneers in Derbyshire on January 24.

    It was found in view of Beverley Minster.

    It is expected to be highly sought after, with buyers unlikely to be put off by its high price tag.

    Adam Staples, an expert from the auctioneers, said: “What Englishman wouldn’t want to own a 15th century ring featuring St George, the Patron Saint of England?

    “It is a superb example of the craftsmanship of the time. Only high-ranking figures such as bishops or nobility would have been able to afford a ring of such high quality featuring fine decorative engraving and faceting.

    “It may well have belonged to a bishop from Beverley Minster and would have been commissioned.

    “Medieval jewellery commands high prices due to its rarity, quality and rich historical value.”

    The ring will be sold on January 24 at Hansons Auctioneers, Heage Lane, Etwall, Derbyshire.


    Beverley Minster in Beverley, East Riding of Yorkshire, is a parish church in the Church of England. It is one of the largest parish churches in the UK, larger than one third of all English cathedrals and regarded as a gothic masterpiece, it opened in 1225

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  15. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    Does it have a proper British hallmark or do they have to catalogue it as 'yellow metal' ?
     
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  16. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Davey, for putting up the more complete description. After squinting at it for a good long time, finally thought I could make out very sketchy figures that could be a man on horseback. a dragon & a winged figure overhead. No doubt an acquaintance with medieval depictions of saints would be helpful. The floral decoration is much easier. Medieval jewellery is definitely much sought after; will be interesting to see how it turns out.

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  17. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    I bet it blows by the current highest estimated auction price. We have a young Prince George in line to be king someday, too.
     
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  18. tie.dye.cat

    tie.dye.cat Well-Known Member

    Haaa, me too! Love the thrill of the hunt though.
     
    tie.dye.cat, Jan 4, 2018
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  19. BU66

    BU66 Active Member

    WOW that's amazing!! Let us know the final bid.
     
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  20. Rufus@frockstarvintage

    Rufus@frockstarvintage Well-Known Member

    That's a fantastic piece - reminds me I have a detector here I've never used.
    Hey @johnnycb09 should I save the bolts & bottle caps for your collection? haha :D
     
    Rufus@frockstarvintage, Jan 4, 2018
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