Doulton Burslem Marks

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  1. ewarnick35

    ewarnick35 New Member

    Picked up this Doulton Burslem pitcher today and I was wondering about the marks. I figured out the Doulton mark but do the numbers and letters in red have any meaning?
     

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  2. ewarnick35

    ewarnick35 New Member

    The mark
     

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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    and the pitcher looks like..........................................
     
  4. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    A cylindrical vessel with a handle and spout. lol
     
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  5. ewarnick35

    ewarnick35 New Member

    Sorry here it is
     

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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  7. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
    The numbers are either the blank number for the shape of the pitcher, or the number for the floral pattern.
    I'm going to guess it is the floral pattern.

    One letter may be for the painter, the other might be the year.

    You would have to look at Royal Doulton references to see what is what.

    @say_it_slowly may have a book with the correct info.
    This is all I found.
    http://thepotteries.org/mark/d/doulton.html
     
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  8. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

  9. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly STAY SAFE The worst prison is a closed heart

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  10. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    sis, that's a Lambeth mark on that site, not a Burslem one.
     
  11. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly STAY SAFE The worst prison is a closed heart

    Not sure I see where it mentions that but it shows a James Cruickshank mark that someone mentioned it in a listing Janet found. Do you know it?
     
  12. ewarnick35

    ewarnick35 New Member

    Thanks for all the info everyone! I appreciate your time.
     
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  13. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I know that site very well, they're all Lambeth marks. it's very misleading in the sense that it doesn't make that clear on each page. It also gets a fair bit of the history wrong, especially with the constant references to "Royal". The best reference work, which I own, is a marvellous book called the Doulton Lambeth Wares. It's scholarly and very well researched indeed.

    Cruickshank was a noted and superb Lambeth artist, not a Burslem one. The Burslem factory used much more Staffordshire conventional markings, painted pattern numbers and piecework marks, such as are on this piece. If you do get artists' signatures on Burslem of the period, they are usually in the body of the art.

    Lambeth was very proud of its artists and decorators, and carefully identified them. You can pin point Lambeth much better. And Cruickshank was a better artist than whoever did this one - he did a great deal of portrait work. I've just done some googling and I honestly despair. There's work of his out there, which is LAMBETH FAIENCE and they're describing as Burslem! He worked at Lambeth and did exhibition pieces, too. 1880 to 87.

    A supposedly noted auctioneer: https://www.pascoeandcompany.com/portrait-charger.html

    And even more nonsense! https://www.sellingantiques.co.uk/689749/a-beautiful-late-19th-c-doulton-burslem-vase/ A rather badly tube lined mass market vase which Cruickshank would have smashed to pieces.
     
  14. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly STAY SAFE The worst prison is a closed heart

    Good information OBB, are there any online sites that might identify Burslem artists correctly such as this one? The internet is great, except when it's not.

    I imagine someone has published a book or two that might be helpful but completely out of my area so don't have one.
     
  15. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I've not found a decent online resource for Burslem. The problem is that the vast majority of decorator and piece work marks for ANY Staffordshire factory simply aren't known. And many others: Worcester, for example, is anonymous unless it's one of the great painters who actually signed, like Harry Stinson - and even then, he's often identified by style. Doulton Lambeth are unique in that it's possible to identify designer, decorator, assistant and more. It's one of the many reasons I love the stuff.
     
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