E, Burney Engraving Need Info

Discussion in 'Art' started by Karl Brown, Nov 17, 2019.

  1. Karl Brown

    Karl Brown Member

    hello, i have a engraving that has the name E. Burney on the bottom left hand side of it, there is also a paper watermark on it that has the initials 'B.F.K Rives', there is also a raised paper stamp on the bottom right side of the paper with the initials ATS or AFS, does anyone might know what these marks or the artist might be, Thanks
     

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  2. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Google reverse images says this engraving is based on a painting by William Adolphe Bouguereau.

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  3. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The conjoined letters are AFS not ATS.

    EDIT - and I suspect it has something to do with the paper and not the artists.
     
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  4. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    I'm wondering if the engraver misidentified the piece as being by Edward Francis Burney.
     
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  5. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    59502749-8456-4F39-922B-0ABF6E398CA6.jpeg Who is Wangaren?
    Or whatever that reads?
    The engraver?
     
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  6. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    That is a copy of William Adolphe Bouguereau's original signature.
     
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    i need help Moderator Moderator

    Ah, I see.
     
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  8. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    OK - I'll bite. Why is this different?
     
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  9. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Different from what?
     
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  10. Karl Brown

    Karl Brown Member

    This is watermark in the paper
     

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  11. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Can you show a picture of the full piece so that we can see the placement of all the elements (signatures, embossing, remarque)?
     
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  12. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Hi Jivvy!

    It's spelled differently after the "G" - "Bougareau" - a copy of a signature?
     
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  13. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    It looks like the same spelling to me, but I admit, the photo is a bit too smudgy for me to be sure.

    But if it's wrong, I'm certain it wouldn't be the first time an engraver made such a mistake. ;)
     
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  14. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Either trick of jpg artifacts/poor lighting of original photo, or I think you guys are right that it's different (ie, engraver misspelled the name).

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  15. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Now I'm thinking it's poorly executed, but correct spelling.

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  16. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    BFK Rives is the papermaker.
     
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  17. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Jivvy, your eyes are much better than mine!! :joyful::joyful:

    After the "G" - it didn't exactly look like an "A" to me, still cannot decipher it! ;)
     
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  18. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    I was thinking about it being an "A" because that would be the correct pronunciation of the French name, correct? ;)

    But it just didn't quite look like an "A" either!
     
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  19. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    ATS could well be the American Tract Society.

    The Burney name and the remarque may well be from the same hand, but I find it hard to believe that's the person responsible for the print. The name seems to me rather clumsy for someone with the necessary skill. It is possible that Burney was the name of the technician who pulled the print, as sometimes happened.
     
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  20. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    buggar all.:hilarious:
     
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