Handcarved Ivory bust African tribal??

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  1. TheHoneybee

    TheHoneybee New Member

    Need to know for sure if this is real ivory Ive looked at alot of pictures and done so much research trying to locate one simuler it came from over seas in the late 60's i think its African. 20200103_064404.jpg 20200103_064404.jpg
     

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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Where is overseas from where you are?

    It looks like a souvenir ivory carving from Congo to me. Probably 1960s. @kristiaan knows this kind of thing.
     
  3. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    I could be wrong but it looks like bone with the striations - ivory will show cross hatching. If you google ivory versus bone, you will see good distinctions. Can you post some other pictures like backside and base?
     
  4. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

  5. TheHoneybee

    TheHoneybee New Member

    Hi, I have so many good pictures that would show all the different sections to help in identifying but everytime i try to upload it says file too large. Im new and trying to learn my way around.
    I live in the United States so overseas is really anywhere across the ocean. The man that originally brought it back worked in quite a few countries so i can't know for sure. That's why i thought Africa
     
  6. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

    Are you aware of all the laws against selling real ivory?
     
  7. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Forgot to say WELCOME on board, TheHoneybee!:facepalm::)
     
  8. TheHoneybee

    TheHoneybee New Member

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  10. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

    Photos must be under 1MB. If on your phone try emailing them to yourself as 'medium' & then uploading them.
     
  11. TheHoneybee

    TheHoneybee New Member

    Thank you, I will go try that. Yes Ive done alot of research and the law states you cant sell it but I just want it to be authenticated and them i would research where to go from there
     
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  12. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

  13. TheHoneybee

    TheHoneybee New Member

    No its a bust and its very heavy and cold
     
  14. TheHoneybee

    TheHoneybee New Member

    Its 6 in high and the the base is a little over 2 1/2 in.
    The base is flat, there is a hole in the center
     
  15. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    Ok Thank you, it’s important to mention the size. Welcome to the Forum! :)
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Completely forgot, welcome TheHoneybee.
    Always good to add, two of the replies came from members who would consider you to be overseas.;)
    You thought right.:)
    I agree, no doubt about it.
     
  17. necollectors

    necollectors Well-Known Member

    SYNTHETIC IVORY

    Manufactured ivory substitutes fall into three categories:

    • composites of an organic resin and an inorganic material
    • composites of casein and a resin material
    • composites of ivory sawdust with a binder or resin
    Pure casein shows a UV fluorescence similar to ivory. The chemical structures, however, are easily distinguishable by FT - IR.

    Ivory sawdust compositions are not ivory substitutes in the true sense of the term. They are subject to the same international trade controls and permit requirements as solid ivory products.

    The images are examples of manufactured ivory substitutes. The left one is an early twentieth century celluloid, and the right one is a modern polyester resin. Note the attempt to mimic the proboscidean pattern.

    [​IMG] Click to see examples of manufactured ivory substitutes!

    Regardless of the appearance or chemical composition of the manufactured ivory substitutes, they all share a common identifying characteristic. When ultraviolet light is shined on a manufactured ivory products they absorb the ultraviolet light exhibiting a dull blue appearance. Ivory, on the other hand, has a white/blue florescent appearance.

    Identification of manufactured ivory substitutes is facilitated if standards of the manufactured ivories are available for comparative purposes when using the ultraviolet light.

    https://search.usa.gov/search?query...oject=firstgov&affiliate=Forensics_Laboratory
     
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  18. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    74C2C9DE-708B-450B-8524-23CA1827CABF.jpeg I know you are having trouble with photos, does the bottom look like this?
     
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  19. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ok, I give up. I hope someone else with some knowledge of African items will take over.
    @2manybooks , are you game?
     
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  20. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

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