Help Needed To Identify Plates Including Early John Rose Plate

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Paul Lloyd, Apr 5, 2021.

  1. Paul Lloyd

    Paul Lloyd Member

    Hello to all at Antiquers!

    I find this forum such a fantastic and invaluable resource for information and advice!!! Thank you all in advance for any information.

    I'm hoping someone can help me identify the pattern name or number of the last two plates in the first photo. I know the photo shows three plates, I am aware of the makers name and pattern of the first plate to the left.
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    I bought the lot of three plates and two cups for roughly £28, does anyone think I have done well here? Does anyone know the potential value of the last two plates.

    I understand the last plate has been done by John Rose in the 19th Century, although I'm not sure what the pattern is. This plate has been overprinted does that make this more unusual and rare?
     
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  2. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    If I'm reading the registration diamond correctly it dates April 10, 1854 parcel 4.
    Cushion's British Ceramic Marks book shows only one pattern registered that matches that and was done by Samuel Alcock & Co, Burslem. No images are shown but you might look that direction.

    Anything under the note on the other?
     
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  3. Ce BCA

    Ce BCA Well-Known Member

    I'm sure that's just a typo and @say_it_slowly means 1854 of course.

    John Rose was the founder of Coalport - the name is often banded about for floral painted work in the Coalport style, you would need a Coalport specialist to tell you if the attribution is correct (I suspect unlikely).

    The blue, red and gilt plate is in 'Imari' colours, but it looks English. Many factories made similar patterns in the 19th century, the most famous being Derby.
     
  4. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    You mean 1854, SIS. Oops, you do a million things right, but we get on you for one little typo!
     
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  5. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Lol yes 1854, I've corrected it, thank you:). So used to typing 1954 I guess (year I was born:rolleyes:)
     
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  6. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    What I usually prefer to do is just show what I'm looking at since I never trust myself anyway :) The year of 1854 from Cushion's.
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  7. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

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  8. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    Spot on as usual SIS
     
  9. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    The "Coalport" plate is probably a variation of the popular tobacco leaf pattern which was produced by Coalport and a number of other factories including Spode. I think this version is known as Tobacco Leaf with fingers but I may be wrong on that.
     
  10. Paul Lloyd

    Paul Lloyd Member

    Thank you everyone for your time, the information you have all provided is very much appreciated
     
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