Help this not so tech savvy old lady please!

Discussion in 'Tribal Art' started by Diane Bean, Apr 26, 2021.

  1. Diane Bean

    Diane Bean Active Member

    Can anyone help me date this basket, and how can I tell if it is Hong Kong cord or sweet grass?
     
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  3. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    @Diane Bean
    I’ve added your photos here and deleted the duplicate thread.
     
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  4. Diane Bean

    Diane Bean Active Member

    Thank you! Hopefully I will learn quickly!
     
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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    i see hong kong cord.......uniform twist..
    it's a Northeast....tribal NA basket ..... a yarn basket...with that open hole in the lid...

    In the 1930s, sweet grass was sometimes replaced by manufactured paper twine known as “Hong Kong cord,” in an attempt at efficiency and economy, but it was never as popular as sweet grass.

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  7. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    The shape and structure, and the faded colors, look typical of northeastern Native American work. Such string/yarn holders were sometimes made with sweetgrass, sometimes with imported Hong Kong sea grass cordage, sometimes both. It would be helpful to see some closeups of the materials used, and the structure of the bottom of the basket to be sure. But Hong Kong cordage is typically very even, 2 cords twisted tightly together.

    Modern Hong Kong sea grass cordage:
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    https://www.createandcraft.com/us/p...wDTeHlb6QJwwqbv8AwLgx4paDM8aPWiEaAlfAEALw_wcB

    This basket, which was recently posted here, is made with Hong Kong cordage:
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    https://www.antiquers.com/threads/need-help-dating-this-sewing-basket.61155/#post-3948812

    Here are some NE Native baskets. The one on the left is made with wood splints and Hong Kong sea grass. The 2 on the right are of wood splint and what looks more like sweetgrass. Sweetgrass was hand twisted and plied, and generally looser than the commercial Hong Kong cordage. Sometimes you can still detect the distinctive odor of sweetgrass inside a basket that has been closed, or placed for awhile in a closed bag or box.

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    https://www.jeffreysevans.com/auction/new-england-indian-yarn-or-string-holder-baskets-lot-of-three/
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2021
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  8. Diane Bean

    Diane Bean Active Member

    Thank you for your help!
     
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  10. Diane Bean

    Diane Bean Active Member

    IMG_20210426_173607.jpg IMG_20210426_173710.jpg Unfortunately I only have the camera on my computer, so the images are not so great. I paid $40. Do you think this was too much?
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    what size is it...........40 sounds acceptable ..
     
  13. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!


    hit a sweet grass basket with a water mist.....and the smell comes back !
     
  14. Diane Bean

    Diane Bean Active Member

    It's about 9" in height and 7" in diameter.
     
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  15. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Everything looks correct for Native American work and, as @komokwa said, made with Hong Kong sea grass cordage, and wood splints. I don't see any sweetgrass anywhere. Other than being quite faded it appears to be in good condition. I think you paid a fair price.
     
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  16. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    here's one of mine........with the cross over sweet grass braids....as opposed to the twisted cord..
     
  17. Diane Bean

    Diane Bean Active Member

    Oh, that is gorgeous, but surely out of my price range! I can still search though!
     
  18. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I'm sure you'll find one that makes you smile !
     
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  19. Diane Bean

    Diane Bean Active Member

    It's kind of my new goal. I may have to sell some "stuff" so I can get there.
     
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  20. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    What an informative thread! It's always interesting to hear from those who know about these things. And welcome to Antiquers, @Diane Bean !
     
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