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  1. drewie5555

    drewie5555 New Member

    Hi,

    I am looking for an antique writing desk for our new home and came across the following at a local dealer. There are two different markings in the drawer (third pic), so a bit confused on which parts are original or were added later.

    Can anyone help ID the time period and any other observations?

    Thanks!

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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    nice....classy !:happy:
     
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  3. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    The G crown R Four Lever, denotes it is a 4 lever lock mechanism, GR is King George but it does not say if its Geo V or Geo VI
    All I can read to the left is "Maker"
     
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  4. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    It says Bates Maker, but I can't read the rest either. Nice looking desk.
     
  5. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Could you go back and re-do the pictures, they are overexposed which has washed out most contrast and also a bit out of focus.
    If it is in a shop ask the shopkeeper to move it so you are not taking the picture towards the light, or use flash.
     
  6. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Looks like “M. Bates Maker. Great Britain.”
     
  7. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

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  9. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Excellent directory, but it's missing some well known ones. I don't se Ercol/Ercolani there, for instance. There is a company called Bates still operating in High Wycombe. Might be worth asking them. http://www.batesandlambourne.co.uk/
     
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  10. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Furniture makers would buy in locks. Lock makers stamped their products, it is unlikely to have any connection to the furniture maker.
     
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  11. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

  12. drewie5555

    drewie5555 New Member

    Great detective work!

    Scrolling about halfway down the page of Ownedbybear's last link, I see almost exactly the same stamp "Bates Maker Wolverhampton". So together with the GR crown stamp (either George IV or George V) that probably dates the locksmith work somewhere as early as the 1820's to the early 1900's.

    Is it common to see the lock and key for the drawers replaced at a later date or should I assume the whole piece of furniture is of the same time period as this metalwork?
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2018
  13. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I think fairly safe to assume the metal work is contemporaneous. My gut feel is that this is early 20th C, from the handles and leather work, but I'd like to see more on the construction, please.
     
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