Help with a pocketwatch

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by prestoncohunter, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. prestoncohunter

    prestoncohunter Well-Known Member

    Have had little luck finding out much about this watch. I am assuming it's fairly old since it's a key winder. It does run.
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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    if you could get the markings clearer and show us the inner workings......:):)
     
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  3. prestoncohunter

    prestoncohunter Well-Known Member

    Ok I'll try to get a better pic of the hallmarks. Not sure I'm brave enough to get to the works but will see.
     
  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    well, if there's a 2nd inner flap and it opens.....we could tell more about the watch.......;):happy::happy:

    @afantiques will know more upon seeing it........
     
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  5. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    That looks like the British lion mark and an anchor for Birmingham silver, but I'm not familiar enough with date marks to suggest what year it is. Maybe the 1901 b...
     
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  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I think you're right, barn.
    I can see the lion, and the thing I can't see very clearly could be the anchor.:wacky:;) Could be an h for 1907, but I think I see a hint of a curve at the bottom, that would make it a b.
     
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  7. prestoncohunter

    prestoncohunter Well-Known Member

  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Barn was absolutely right, Birmingham 1901. The maker of the case is Alfred Wigley, Terrace Road, Birmingham, registered in 1874.
    The movement is Swiss, as it says. AF will know more.
     
  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Thank you Preston for putting this up for information.......
    It's been a while since I've seen an honest ANTIQUE here !!!!

    ( but that's just me...) it's a nice watch !!!!!
     
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  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is a beauty.
    It is getting worse by the week, isn't it? I get a bit frustrated sometimes, especially when it is both new and junk. New and quality is something at least, but new and junk....:arghh:
     
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  11. prestoncohunter

    prestoncohunter Well-Known Member

    We have a whole box of pocketwatches but near as I can tell most are from the 20's and 30's. A couple from the early teens. I will sort thru again some evening and post some of the others.

    Thanks for the info.

    I gather b is a date code, but does the other codes mean.
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    the lion is the assay mark ( for sterling...:oops::oops: ) ....the anchor is the city mark...

    teens , 20's 30's............. ALL WELCOME here !!!!!!
    We luv seeing nice watches....and now u no what kind of photo's we need to help u out !!!! :happy::happy::happy:
     
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  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The lion mark is called the 'lion passant', it is a British guarantee mark for sterling silver. The anchor is the assay mark for the city of Birmingham, England.

    Oops, sniped by komo.:)
     
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  14. prestoncohunter

    prestoncohunter Well-Known Member

  15. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    The watch is a routine Swiss lever escapement, going barrel watch from the time the case was made, a bit late for key winding but the makers catered for people who were a bit old fashioned in their choice of mechanism.
    I can see one interesting feature on the backplate of the movement. The barrel arbour has a screwed seat (three tiny screws round the winding square) which is usually associated with a jewelled bearing. I cannot see for sure from the movement picture if this is actually jewelled, inspection with a loupe should show a jewel as a dark glassy ring.
    This would be an unusual feature usually only associated with much higer grade watches. The barrel arbour is the slowest moving arbour in the watch and jewelling it is somewhat gilding the lily.
    To a real specialist collector this feature would command a small premium on an otherwise routine and mdestly valued watch.
    The key is far newer than the watch. The watch size seems a little smaller than normal.

    Another odd feature is that there does not appear to be a setting square on the cannon pinion (where the hands are fixed on) but this may be due to no more than my inability to see it. If it is not there this is very odd indeed, how is the watch set?

    Even the most common looking items can have unusual features.
     
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