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Discussion in 'Silver' started by MrNate, Mar 7, 2021.

  1. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    Good morning all,

    I'm hoping someone can help me identify these marks, so far in searching for sword stamps all I come up with is dutch:

    IMG_8832.jpg 156552169_10225830911627616_9171189796908718834_o.jpg 156507004_10225830776344234_3424805225740453471_o.jpg 157185613_10225830776424236_6926114029785873761_o.jpg 156196600_258318992554946_2800505588999014598_n.jpg
     
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  3. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Possibly Dutch?
     
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  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    We need a closer view of the other 2 marks.
     
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  5. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    I don't have a way to get closer marks, that's all I have to go off of.
     
  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    That's too bad. Wish I could help, Nate!

    Neat server!
     
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  7. Miscstuff

    Miscstuff Sometimesgetsitright

    +1 for me
     
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  8. Red6

    Red6 Member

    Looks like the single sword mark used on Dutch silver from 1906 -1953, this was used on 835 and 925 standard.
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Mar 9, 2021
  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Not enough detail.:) The 1906-1953 sword has a ribbed hilt, a groove down the blade, and a knob at the tip of the blade.
     
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  11. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Agreed...

    ~Cheryl
     
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  12. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    The item arrived in the mail yesterday, here's some closer photos of the marks if anyone can help to identify them. I'll get some photos of the dish fully polished soon:

    IMG_8870.JPG IMG_8869.JPG IMG_8868.JPG IMG_8867.JPG
     
  13. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Mar 14, 2021
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  14. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    A thought for you. Look at Simon Rosenau here - http://www.silvercollection.it/HANAUROSENAU2BIS.jpg

    I was thinking that one of those marks was a person - but no! It's a goblet with circles on each side. That example doesn't include a sword or the other thing, but maybe there are other examples of his marks that do include them.
     
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  15. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    Here's a better photo:

    IMG_8879.JPG
     
  16. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Since the Hanau pseudo-marks were usually imitations of older marks, the same or similar can turn up on pieces by different makers, the reason an attribution is often suggested rather than firm.

    All your marks are found in the Schleissner & Söhne images on the 'silvercollection.it' site, so it would most likely be a piece made by them - on this page you can see the sword [s447] and the chalice [s449], their numbers corresponding to their attribution in Scheffler's 1976 book:


    https://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html

    hanau-schleissnersohne-9251000.JPG


    ~Cheryl
     
  17. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    Thank you Cheryl (and bakersgma),

    I think I'm leaning towards Schleissner & Söhne; I notice that the sword marks all seem to have the same shape around the edge. I came up empty finding another piece with the same exact three marks all together, but it appears very clear that the maker switched up the marks quite a bit. I polished it last night and hopefully I'll have some space later today in my schedule to take good photos.
     
  18. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    Here's the photos after polishing, I'm very happy being able to buy this piece considering how it looks now and the nice weight of the piece:

    DSC_8845.JPG DSC_8846.JPG DSC_8847.JPG DSC_8848.JPG DSC_8843.JPG DSC_8844.JPG
     
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  19. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Very nice, Nate!
     
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  20. Roshan Ko

    Roshan Ko Well-Known Member

    You have magic in your fingers @MrNate
     
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