Hodgepodge(pic heavy)

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Shwikman, Mar 23, 2019.

  1. Shwikman

    Shwikman Well-Known Member

    I figured I’d lump a few things together here, hopefully that’s ok.
    Any info would be appreciated. Thank You!

    #1 Pitcher
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    strange shapes on the body where the handle mounts:
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    Mark under the glaze and “1/2 Pint”
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    #2 strange glass vase?
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    #3
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  2. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

  3. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    #3 is howo bird normally called a phoenix or flying turkey. Most of this china was made in Japan.
    Patd
     
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  4. Shwikman

    Shwikman Well-Known Member

    Wow!
    Thanks Folks!
     
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  5. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    There is something strange about #1
    Haviland and Co is supposed to be Limoges isn't it?
    So why is there an English Registration mark under glaze, and 1/2 Pint?

    Can someone explain this please.
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  6. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

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  7. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    I need help, I don't think that is an English registration mark, I think it's an early Haviland mark. Definitely the other two marks are Haviland, the blue and the black. Will check my books.
     
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  8. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    I Can't find anything in my books. I've seen early Haviland pieces that have only the impressed mark. This one has me stumped however, because I've never seen this shape in Haviland. The piece from Ruby Lane is clearly old Haviland. The shape and decoration is seen often. On the RL piece I can seen an H in the incised mark, but I can't see the mark on the OPs piece well at all.
     
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  9. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    That's definitely a British Registry diamond. Perhaps Haviland registered here?
     
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  10. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    The porcelainmarksandmore site says that most designs with registry marks are from British companies, but you can find items that were registered by foreign companies or their agents. It still wouldn't give you the date it was decorated, except that the OP's pitcher is so boldly signed.
     
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  11. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    That's what I was wondering too The diamond should mean the design is British. Designed in Britain and made in France maybe?
     
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  12. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Registry diamonds don't mean a British design, just that it was registered here.
     
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  13. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    The Noritake Collectors Guild says the cherry blossom marks from the 1920s were likely subcontracted by Noritake to other companies for exporting items to the U.S. I didn't find a company name to go with the T. The cherry blossom is made of connected Ms--for the Morimura brothers.
     
  14. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I knew I'd read somewhere that it meant British design and found where that was I got that impression in what amounts to a synopsis. I've not read any of the details in the actual language so I'm sure there are lots of when, ifs and thens in there.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...research-guides/registered-designs-1839-1991/
    Diamond marks demonstrated that a design was registered, that it was designed in Britain and added a layer of protection against fraud. Between 1842 and 1883 they were issued with the registration number when a design was registered by the Patent Office, but only for designs registered under the terms of the 1842 Ornamental Designs Act..
     
  15. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Does this help those that couldn't see the registration mark???

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  16. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    You could register a design with the Patent Office as a "foreigner": one of my ancestors did it! ;)
     
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  17. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Great discussion folks !!! :happy::happy:
     
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  18. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    That must be covered in the ifs, whens and thens parts.:)
     
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  19. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Could the glass vase be Pallme Konig? I ask because of similarity in treatment to this:
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