Featured Id an ivory tool long 26.5 cm

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Gianluca72, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Hello friends,

    I found this item in a lot that I bought at an auction house
    long and flat, the length is 26.5 cm.
    Intrigued by the martular material, I brought it from a relative who is a jeweler and told me that it is 100% ivory.
    He did a very strange test for me: he took a pin and put it on the flame of a lighter for a few seconds. Then he placed it on the ivory object and "sniffed" the point
    Do i have to worry for him ? :)
    But he, like me, does not know absolutely what it is, for what use it was created.
    To me it looks like a tool, maybe a shoehorn? But then I also think that it is too fragile to be.
    On the surface there were 3 different adhesive labels with numbers, they are the ones that use the auction houses to catalog the objects.
    I understand that this object has traveled from one auction house to another, up to the undersigned :)
    I proceeded to remove them, but I have to work better, as the glue below and some fragments of paper still can be seen on the surface, especially the red marker, which has passed the paper and "touched" the ivory.
    With a good cleaning, I will surely be able to remove everything.
    Returning to my main question, could you help me identify the object and possibly date it?
    The object is slightly curved at the ends
    I know it's hard, which is why I ask you :)

    Thank you all

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  2. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    I believe the 'hot needle test' is to see if it melts....and is plastic.....and smells......Kind of looks like it COULD be straight out of a Victorian Ladies corset, to me, but ALWAYS possible I'm wrong, too :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:!! Plenty of other potentials!!
     
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  3. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Page turner, it's missing its handle...

    ~Cheryl
     
  4. anundverkaufen

    anundverkaufen Bird Feeder

    Page turner/paper knife, probably had a silver embellishment at one time.
     
  5. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    thanks a lot :) !!!

    In which period could we date it ?
     
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  6. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Probably Victorian, from the oxidation and the fact that it's ivory. Pre-WWII at any rate.
     
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  7. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, could we say something like a Uk Victorian late 19th Century Ivory page turner ?
     
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  8. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    what about a doctor's tongue depressor ?
     
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  9. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Hard to be sure where it came from originally without the hallmarked bits.
     
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  10. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    you're right : better to remove the terms "uk" keeping "Victorian" only
     
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  11. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    interesting ... i did not think about it

    but i was noticing that in the photos 8,9,10 there are diagonal and parallel scratches, typical of constant and identical rubbing, resulting from a movement that is always the same, so the page turner option seems to me to be excellent. But also your statement is not to be underestimated :)
     
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  12. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    after having taken a double-meter and held it before my belly - I can only say with all certainty that it can't be for a corset, because that poor doll couldn't have had any breasts :hilarious:
     
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  13. mmarco102

    mmarco102 Well-Known Member

    You may want to rearch this company a bit for dating, looks like a perfect fit, give or take about 5-10cm considering the handle.

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  14. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Wow, it's the same :)
    Thanks a lot!
     
  15. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi Gianluca,
    PLEASE do not ever use the "hot pin" test. If ivory you do not need the the test. If it was celluloid or some other plastic it would be ruined by the test. I have seen several serious burns given to people from the test. Certain plastics ignite and burn quickly. I have seen many plastic pieces with burn holes ruined by the test.
    greg
     
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  16. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Hello dear friends,
    I resume the discussion because I put this page Turner up for sale and a very nice user wrote me a message on ebay in which according to his point of view it is not a page turner but something else ... I paste his message with the aim of being able to better understand with you what it is and what you think also because his point of view contrasts a little with yours.
    Then only after reading your updated points of view I will eventually change my description Thank you very much for the help. Gianluca.

    " Hi.

    Please do not be offended but this was not intended as a page turner. Such things are extremely rare - See Google The phantom page turner.

    This is a page cutter/paper knife from the time when books and newspapers sill had some of the pages joined at the edges. It was inserted along the fold to free them.

    I still have some of the books my father 'cut' and can remember one of these (though not as nice as yours) in public libraries next to the daily papers.

    I hope this helps.

    Judith "

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    Last edited: Jan 15, 2020
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  17. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Your guy is absolutely right! Page cutter it is:)
    They are wrongly but widely called page turner, so, the term is in all listings...:facepalm:
     
  18. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Spot on. They are indeed often called page turners, but are actually page splitters.
     
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  19. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Ivory on ebay?
     
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  20. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Thought the same thing. I’ve seen people use ‘bony’ and just ‘bone’.
     
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