Featured id & date an huge and majestic oriental plate

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Gianluca72, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Hello,

    I would like to identify and date this huge and majestic oriental plate .

    Live is impressive, I hope the photos convey the idea of the enormity of the object.

    Diameter: cm 45!

    Thanks so much for your support

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  2. Christmasjoy

    Christmasjoy Well-Known Member

    That's BEAUTIFUL !!! ... Joy.
     
  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    isn't that too much crazing , to have any age ??:confused::confused:
     
  4. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

  5. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I think we need @Mat to chime in on this one. I have my suspicions, but will wait for him.
     
  6. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS!!!

    Y'all taught me that, that MUCH crazing is 'frequently' not a good indication.......but waiting for those that know more!!!! However, the plate itself, is lovely, and most unusual!!!!:)
     
  7. Kevin Meade

    Kevin Meade Well-Known Member

    The fuzzy makers mark throws me off a bit.
     
  8. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    The transparent color over the crazing looks perfectly smooth...

    It's a really interesting composition
     
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  9. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Don’t think this is too old and I think the crazing is intentional. JMHO.
     
  10. Christmasjoy

    Christmasjoy Well-Known Member

    I do like the plate but that crazing looks too uniform, it doesn't look right ... Joy.
     
  11. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Thanks to you all for the replies,

    ok we wait for @Mat and @Asian Fever to better id the mark and date it, this is their bread i guess :)
     
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  12. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    Hi, I do not know that mark but the dish is Chinese and late 20th c at the oldest IMO. The crazing is intentional (as most crazing actually, I think), not a sign of age...
     
  13. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Hi Mat, thanks a lot for your reply.
     
  14. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    I agree with you this one is in 20th century. However, it looks more in japanese style to me than in chinese style. It is most likely to be japanese occupied production(1910s-1950s).(It could be made in China occupied area, Taiwan, south east Asia during WWII).
    Although, the pattern itself is about the Sanguo (he Three Kingdoms (220–280)) which japanese very adore stories and people during this period.

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    Obviously, he is Guan Yu.

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    The patterns and decoration are japanese style, not chinese.

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    The mark need be turned 90 degrees colckwise. The right word (top one) would be 華(traditional of 华) (Hua)(means Chinese), the left one(buttom one) I am not sure, it could be 權(traditional of 权) (Quan) (means power) or could be some other words.
     
  15. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Wow @Asian Fever thanks a lot for the info, best answer.
     
  16. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    @Asian Fever

    i've 2 questions please

    About mark, i'm not sure that i understand as well, which is the right one ?

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    Second question is : since the moment that there alle all the evidences of a Japanese item, which is the meaning to write on the back "Chinese power" ?

    Thanks a lot
     
  17. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    Picture # D.

    I am not sure with the second word.
     
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  18. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    Asian Fever, I agree that there is some Japanese influence in the use of raised enamels. But that is something typical for some late 20th c or newer Chinese pieces which roughly remind Japanese Satsuma. I am not aware of something like that from as early as Japanese occupation era. And the thin enamels and very shiny gold are elements which make me believe that this piece is newer. Here is a new vase for comparison, it also has Japanese influence, a crackle glaze, thin enamels and this shiny gold... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PG4X886/ref=psdc_3745451_t1_B00WFQUF02#customerReviews
     
  19. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Oct 12, 2018
  20. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    Agree with your thoughts why you are thinking they are newer pieces. However, there's two concerns which made me thought they are occupied japanese ware.
    First, the marking is in traditional method and from right to left which is normally before 1950s.
    Second, as far as I know, there're no Jingdezhen artisans make such quality and pattern porcelain. There could be some probably Cantonese made porcelain in such a style. However, I did see such dish with shiny gold outline in an antique store in KY with occupied japanese mark.(Not dragon pattern, but cherry blossoms pattern.)
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    Last edited: Oct 12, 2018
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