ID of silver marks?

Discussion in 'Silver' started by moreotherstuff, Feb 21, 2020.

  1. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    These are on a ladle. Do they say anything?
    zvd.jpg

    (best I can do from online photo)
     
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  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Strange. Diamond shape on the bottom sort of resembles a French solid silver maker's mark. Maybe letters P and H on the bottom and a person with a cross? But the other 2 don't go with that assumption. Middle looks like the Great Seal of the United States (which is not used in silver marking) and a "sun?"
     
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  3. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Isn't it some kind of imperial eagle?
     
  4. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Great Seal of the United States
     
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  5. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I was wondering if the eagle might be Portuguese, or Mexican?

    I'm not seeing letters in that bottom mark, but it does look like a person with a cross.

    The ladle is on eBay France.
     
  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The ones I'm familiar with have 2 heads.
     
  7. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    The "sun" mark looks a little like the Taiwan national sun.
     
  8. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Look at this c1800 Canton mark:
    z-canton.jpg

    Is that lozenge mark based on this Canton mark? That might support the idea of Taiwanese (I think), and I can easily imagine someone there using an American style eagle.
     
  9. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    The Great Seal of the United States mark is simple.Anything an embassy bought in country was marked.Plates,cups,silverware,etc....................
     
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  10. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Active Member

    It is also advisable to post an image of the entire object, and something that best shows off the design and details of the object, as this can help identify the object as well because certain patterns were used as certain dates.

    If you could try again with a close-up photo of the maker marks, to get the photo in sharper focus, it would be great, or if you don't have the original item, and this came from a website somewhere, provide the link to that site as it may provide other clues.
     
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  11. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Are you saying the eagle mark indicates that the item was purchased for an American embassy?
     
  12. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    The photo of the mark is as good as I can get. There is no side view, but here's what I've got:
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    zzb.jpg

    It's about 15" long and weighs close to 300g.
     
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  13. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Can see a resemblance to the U.S. Great Seal, but don't believe it is - if a citation for the the Great Seal being stamped on embassy silver is available, would like to add it to my reference files, not anything I've seen or heard of before.

    By style, though certainly also made elsewhere, to my eye, it has a very Continental look, an upturned tipped fiddle with a mid-rib, the French called it 'Uniplat', have seen similar drops on European silver too. Believe it's probably Sardinian from Chambery, take a look at the marks here: http://www.silvercollection.it/TORINOHALLMARKS.html


    sardinianmarks1824-72.JPG


    ~Cheryl
     
  14. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Hmmm...

    Wish I had a better look at that eagle.

    Sardinia makes more sense to me than Taiwan, especially with this being in France. And the eagle being something other than an American eagle also seems more likely.
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2020
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  15. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Ah! That makes much more sense!
     
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  16. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

  17. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Well I bought the thing, so when I get it, we'll see what we see.
     
  18. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    The deal has gone south. At the moment it is dubious that I will ever receive the item.
     
  19. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    To my surprise, it has arrived. A heavy piece and very utilitarian. A bit shorter than I thought. Somehow I saw 37cm when seller said 35cm (34.5cm by my measure - well over 13"). Weight is correct. A few dents to the bowl. Assuming Cheryl's link to be correct (thank you Cheryl), this is Sardinia (Piedmont) and Chambery (so it's Italian - but on the French border). I can't get a really crisp look at the maker's mark, but it appears to be the initials AI (possibly AT) below a cross and above a dot (grain-de-remède).

    z - Silver Ladle Sardinia Chambery.jpg

    z - Silver Ladle Sardinia Chambery - a.jpg
     
  20. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Most silver sites have some errors, but Giorgio's is usually pretty good (and he is Italian) - can't see any reason to think it anything other than Sardinian, from Chambery...

    ~Cheryl
     
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