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Identifying Doctor ****

Discussion in 'Ephemera and Photographs' started by ScanticAntiques, Dec 23, 2014.

  1. ScanticAntiques

    ScanticAntiques Well-Known Member

    Hello again,

    Thank you kindly for all of your past help!

    I feel like I'm the only one who posts photos on this forum, sorry if I'm a bother! :)

    I purchased this CDV awhile back, it says "Doctor" Banjo? Or something on the back. He looks to be a well dressed man, and with that hair being out in the early 19th century, I can't imagine many people still wore it this way.

    Any help on identifying the man would be greatly appreciated!
     

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  2. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I believe that is a photographic reproduction of a print. The print may have been based on an older painting.

    The last name may be Bangs, but I'm not sure about that.

    I like the photo threads, and are glad that you are posting some. However, I just started one a couple of days ago, so you are not the only one.
     
  3. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Almost looks like he's wearing a wig, doesn't it? And the clothes look older style as well. I agree with Fig - not a live sitter.

    Bangs makes sense for the name.
     
  4. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    I kinda like "Doctor Banjo".....has a sort of..........twang to it.
     
  5. ScanticAntiques

    ScanticAntiques Well-Known Member

    Haha I'm not sure! I've searched multiple names but can't find anyone resembling him. I assumed because it was "print" that he would be someone known. But I guess I'll just have to keep looking :)
     
  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Then...............Dr. Who ?
     
  7. ScanticAntiques

    ScanticAntiques Well-Known Member

    Personally he looks like Bill Nye the Science Guy C. 1840-1850's lol
     
  8. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

    Oh! he really does look like Bill - how funny!
     
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  9. ScanticAntiques

    ScanticAntiques Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it's rather odd lol
     
  10. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    Dr. Rev. Nathan Bangs, "(May 2, 1778 – May 3, 1862) was an American Christian theologian in the Methodist tradition."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bangs

    THis CDV is probably a copy/taken of a Matthew Brady CDV of Bangs.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bangs#mediaviewer/File:Nathan_Bangs_-_Brady-Handy.jpg

    http://www.old-picture.com/pics/mathew-brady-studio/002/Reverend-Nathan-Bangs.htm

    BTW, the hair is his, not a wig. Here is an earlier portrait of him when he was the 2nd president of Wesleyan College, now Wesleyan University.
    http://www.wesleyan.edu/president/pastpresidents/bangs.html

    Another BTW, those clothes were not old fashion for that day and time 1850-1860s. Following line has a pic of a portrait/painting of Pres. Buchanan, 15th President, done when he was president 1857-1861, wearing the same style of clothing. The Hallett Brothers were photographers in NY in the 1860s. They took pics of Civil War officers, etc.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan

    --- Susan
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2014
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  11. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Excellent work, Susan!
     
  12. ScanticAntiques

    ScanticAntiques Well-Known Member

    Wow Thanks Susan!! I can't believe you hunted that all down! :) Very much appreciated! So interesting!

    Did photographers back then allow for this practice of using anthers photograph and reproducing it?
     
  13. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    You're welcome. As to the practice of copping, stealing, others' photographs and reproducing them, I don't know. Hallett made noticeable corrections, spruced up the pic. The major one is the lack of eyeglasses. Brady's CDV shows Doc wearing glasses while the Halletts doesn't. Halletts pic shows a definite cloth material design while Brady's doesn't. Also the doc's face and hair in Hallett's pic looks touched up. The face looks less wrinkled, less haggarded, and hair looks more under control like less static electricity causing tiny wisps here and there. The Hallett pic looks like it was done for some publishing purpose like maybe some book Bangs was having published or a newspaper article.

    Here are some Hallett Bros. pic on eBay:
    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2054436.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XHallett CDV&_nkw=Hallett CDV&_sacat=0

    Hallett Civil War soldiers:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=pW4oEhwvhMsC&pg=PA190&lpg=PA190&dq=Hallett brothers cdv&source=bl&ots=0vnTHMHH3q&sig=tE7ODQhVAyLiWgMPvsn5xHmqbyo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rKSdVL_CI8mXNqmtgDg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Hallett brothers cdv&f=false

    http://historical.ha.com/itm/milita...igham-3rd-vermont-infantry-cdv/a/6002-72714.s

    https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=4460&aid=78715&lid=19561866#topleft

    Here's a pic of Vice President Andrew Johnson done by the Hallett brothers.
    http://www.tias.com/civil-war-photographers-hallett--bro--andrew-johnson-albumen-120134.html/

    BTW, Hallett Brothers and SJ & CW Hallett were one and the same - studio location seems to be written as 134 & 136 BROADWAY N.Y. on some CDV and 134 & 136 Bowery at Grand on others.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/24501307@N07/8619923730/in/set-72157633152169416

    --- Susan
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2014
  14. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Yes, in the 19th century photographers often copied the work of other photographers.

    There was a famous lawsuit related to this practice, although in this case was related to a publishing company. In the 1880s, the famous photographer Napoleon Sarony sued a printing company for copying a Sarony portrait of Oscar Wilde.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burrow-Giles_Lithographic_Co._v._Sarony

    The case went to the U.S. Supreme Court, who sided with Sarony, who said this was a copyrighted image ... but they did not agree that no photos could be copied. They ruled that the value that Sarony had put into the photo due to the posing, lighting, etc., made it copyrightable.
     
  15. ScanticAntiques

    ScanticAntiques Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much for all of your help! Happy New Year!
     
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