Is this an original miniature from the 19th century or a mid-20th century imitation on bone?

Here, this is attributed as mid-20th century Europe. And they write that supposedly in the West they attribute it that way too.

But I asked the advanced neural network Gemini 2 thinking, it writes that this is an original work from a lithograph from the 19th century with a signature to attract attention)).
And it describes in detail why this is not a 20th century fake. Is the neural network wrong?

 

It's a decorative piece from the mid-1900s. 1930-ish, to my eye. Rather plain for its type.

Debora

 

Lmao AI is the absolute worse. It's a program that steals copyrighted data and regurgitates it. It is frequently horribly wrong. It's so filled with errors that these companies hire humans in 3rd world countries to try and fix it's responses.

Yes, this miniature is 20th c decor. They're really easy to spot because they were all made very similarly.

 

Around 1930? Or maybe 1910-20? They made similar items en masse then, imitating the 18th-19th century?

in general, yes, the item in your photo looks older, more authentic)). And that one has a more modern style))?

Well, neural networks are wrong, although they are already showing better results)).

 

Yes, I noticed the similarity of the miniatures

 

i would think a 20th century decorative type as well, with a few highlighting brush strokes and signature to confuse

never seen one with that kind of material its been printed on, almost looks like fabric or could be celluloid

 

Well, whoever made the description of the item writes that it was supposedly written directly on the bone.

But the item is attributed as the middle of the 20th century, which is Europe.

 

The frame is usually bone.

 

Although neural networks, despite the mistakes, still teach how to analyze painting and look closely at paintings and style. Sometimes they write interesting things and do a good analysis. But they still have enough gaps in their knowledge)).

 

Is this a real miniature from the early 19th century or a late imitation?

 

no way to tell with this one unless we had more pics, the frame looks too clean, but might have been touched up

looks like a painting but without seeing the back, impossible to tell

 

your ones easy to tell as we see a lot of them, most had aged newspaper print paper attached to back of the frames

 

Yes, there is an old newspaper pasted there, do I need to take it off?

 

No need to remove. That's a sign of a modern decorative piece.

Debora

 

I see, thank you, but I have definitely come across old items from the 19th century with old newspapers pasted on them, but of a slightly different nature)). The newspaper itself does not always mean a modern copy.

But I don't really understand such miniatures yet. The pasted newspapers look suspicious))?

I found the photos on the forum, people were arguing about what it is. I'd be interested to hear opinion.

 

Generative AI are gimmicks that steal copyrighted data they don't own from the rightful worker owners, in order to sell corporations the idea that they can try and replace those workers and steal IP with an error-filled regurgitation. Then rehire some people at extremely low wages to prop up the idea that this faulty brotech "works." Meanwhile doing massive harm to the environment because of the extremely high load of data centers needed to run this faulty software, which has already massively plateaued in output. They continue to trick people into helping them "train" it (ie input more data) by using it for gimmicky reasons. Then rob people of creativity and critical thinking by attempting to do the work (badly) for them, which the rest of us can easily spot. The list goes on.

They don't have "knowledge" in an understanding way. That's why it lied to you about what it thought it saw. It can't think. It also cannot teach lol. It can present suspect "data" for which it doesn't even site sources, so you can't even check the veracity of what it claimed. That's why you asked humans.

Automation is not the same as Gen-AI, to be clear.

 

Newsprint on the back, especially the kind that doesn't look aged (like this) or is faux aged, is typical of the mass produced decor. Yes, bits of cast off paper were used in construction, but I usually see those as backing on these pieces (cards were common) that is hidden behind something else that is typically plain paper, velvet or casing. If you paid for a commissioned portrait, then you wanted it presentable after all. The decor however is trying to convince you it's old.

You can look at the online collection of The Gibbes Museum to see many examples as well as an article on how they are made and put together. Other big museums have good collections too, although not presented together like this...you have to do search terms. Looking at a bunch of confirmed examples from museums is how I've learned to spot the real ones.

 

AI is now tracking our 'free speech' re politics and everything else.Certain things will be flagged.
All the big players have now agreed to share their AI streams w/ the military.
Good luck All.

 

Not to go too far afield of this thread but YES. But everyone's still doing those "fun" tiktok filters that were put out to collect data for facial recognition software. If you're not paying for the thing, then ask yourself who is, because none of these tech companies offer things for free.

 

Also similar to this:
https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1201325507/jens-juel-portrait-of-miss-wilhelmine