Is this Native American?

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  1. Thom

    Thom Active Member

    Round.jpg Bottom.jpg It stands 15" tall and 15" around....Please and thank you :)
     
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  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

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  3. Thom

    Thom Active Member

    ???????
     
  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Sorry, Thom - I "tagged" Taupou, a member with substantial knowledge in the area of "native" basketry in a number of cultures. I should have explained.

    In the meantime, Welcome!
     
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  5. Thom

    Thom Active Member

    LOL......Thank you :)
     
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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    it looks like it wants to be a pomo or mission basket......but i'm not seeing the proper materials of weave.......
    a close up would help..
     
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  7. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    Komo beat me to it, again. Unless one can determine the material it is made from, this may be difficult to positively identify.

    Some African baskets look superficially very similar to Native American ones, using the same colors, same coiled technique. But the Native American ones will be made with yucca, and the African ones from palm fiber.

    The only Native American tribe that makes similar coiled baskets, using these natural colors would be Tohono O'odham. This looks similar to some Tohono O'odham (formerly called Papago), and similar baskets are often mistakenly identified as such, but in this case, the shape of the basket is not typical of theirs, but is associated with African baskets.

    The size is also indicative of African baskets, rather. So I'd say all signs are pointing to African, unless it can be determined that it's made from yucca.
     
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  8. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

  9. Thom

    Thom Active Member

    Here is a closeup
     

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  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    that large basket with the top rim treatement looks like it's brother.....
    good find !!!
     
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  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    not NA !
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I just happen to be here !
    but...
    I never give as detailed an answer as you do.....:happy::happy::kiss::kiss::kiss: ;)
     
  13. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    2manybooks, I think you're right...Seri! I had ruled that out, based on the first photo, where the coiled stitches didn't appear to look right for Seri. But now I see it was probably a result of a blurry photo, as the closeup in post #11 made clear. Plus I generally think of Seri baskets as being smaller.

    The form, pattern, construction...and especially the photos you provided, identified it, and the clear closeup indicated the material. Obviously not palm fiber!

    A good example of how difficult it can sometimes be, identifying a basket solely by photos.
     
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  14. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    NA - North American, or Native American?
    Meso-American, South American, - they are all "American". Even Canadians. :)
     
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  15. Thom

    Thom Active Member

    Does anyone know by looking at the close-up what this mystery basket is made of? Also does it have any value?
     
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  16. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    the question was.........
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    Is this Native American?
     
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  17. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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  18. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    I know that Native American / NA is usually used to mean indigenous people of North America. The point I was suggesting is that "Native American" or, more specifically - "not NA!" - is imprecise. All indigenous peoples of the Americas are, in at least some sense, Native Americans. Just a thought.....
     
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  19. Thom

    Thom Active Member

     
  20. Thom

    Thom Active Member

    Then Seri it is :) Thank you all so much. I just know there are a lot of Knockoffs out there.
     
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