LE Smith Amberina Daisy & Button plates w/ raised rings.

I bought a stack of these plates. Eight of the plates were regular 8 3/8" luncheon plates, but then there were 12 that have these 2 raised rings in the center. They are also 8 3/8" across & the rings are 1 5/8" & 3 1/8" across the inner diameter.

I looked through my LE Smith book, but saw nothing like these in there. There were some sold on ebay a while back but they called them luncheon plates with rings.

Anybody have any ideas about these plates?



Thanks for any & all advice or opinions!!

 

Those rings look too deep to be serviceable as a luncheon plate.
Just a guess, maybe they are liners for bowls, perhaps soup?

 

I wonder if its to hold something like a gelatin mold or aspic in place so it doesnt slide all over.

 

An under plate for a soup bowl??

 

I have looked through my Smith book again & at all colors on Replacements. I have not seen any type of soup bowl listed in the book or on Replacements.

 

Could they have been the underplate for a cheese dome?

 

@bercrystal, I LOVE your plates!!!! But I could BARELY see the rings you were talking about!!! Hope you don't mind..........now, to me anyway, looks more like meant to keep maybe a soup dish from slipping around????? I think Johnny's idea is valid for maybe a large single plate, but for individuals????? Whatever for, you wouldn't want to be cutting with a knife on those raised rims!! So, maybe for dessert or under dish for soup???? The mystery continues!!! Coffee & cookies??

 

And I know the listed site is supposed to have the image that I'm about to post, but I got it from Google images.......Image.....and I know it's not yours, just a similar thought.................



Site: http://www.laurelleaffarm.com/item-pages/china-and-glassware/colored-glassware.htm?page=4 but I couldn't find it there.....

 

Could they have been the underplate for a cheese dome?

I have not found any indication that a cheese dome was made in this pattern.

Aquitaine - Thanks for showing the rings better!!

I have sent an email to the Moon & Stars collectors group if they know of any LE Smith plates like this one. I will let you all know if they are able to tell me anything.

 

I have looked on Ebay for "ringed plates" and I came up with these plates were for salads - the rings were used to hold the salads in place whether it be jello salads or lettuce salads so the dressing wouldn't run all over the plate. That's all I got!! This one may have been multi service portional with the 3 different sized rings? Although maybe the main outer big ring was used for containment of portions from the smaller 2?

 

Rayo - that is quite interesting. I will have to do some research.

Thanks!!

 

The mystery has been solved!!!

I heard back from the guy I emailed yesterday & these plates were meant to be used as under plates for a hurricane shade. He wasn't able to provide a photo of the complete item, but sent me this Google link to show the shade. The shade is from the #4608 oil lamp.

https://www.google.com/search?q=l+e...+and+button+lamp+amber+shade+&imgrc=_&spf=382

After I responded to his email & started writing this response I thought about the candlestick reference books I had & decided to check it out. If you have Vol. 3 of The Glass Candlestick Book by Felt & Stoer the complete one is shown on page 187.

I have a bunch of clear glass hurricane shades out in the garage & I am going to see if any of them might fit these plates. If I find any I will post a photo to see what you all think about trying to sell the plates that way as well as replacements to anyone who has broken theirs.

 

Hi Peggy,
Good luck with your IDing the plate. On the google search that you provided i was quickly scanning the results. I kept coming back to one that was so familiar to me, then I realized it was a photo of a lamp shade that I sold years ago. It was my photo, I quess these things hang around for years!!!!!!!
greg

 

What would be the purpose of making a dedicated under plate for a glass shade?

 

Im rather confused ? What exactly would be the purpose?

 

It's primarily decorative but the idea was that if the votive candle was on the plate with the shade over it the wind could not blow the candle out. You could carry it from room to room or leave it on a side table near an open window without having to worry about it going out. Not that I would recommend using it that way but at one time (before electricity) it was considered quite practical.
Don

 

I wish you could have provided a pic as I don't understand. Strange, so a "poor mans" way of using a glass shade? - oil lamps were readily available with their 3 pronged shade rings that fit the lamp so why put it on a plate with a candle? I have built plenty of Aladdin and Rayo lamps from parts and never found a reason to use a plate and a candle to produce some light. The glass shade was the most expensive part - and then to buy a glass plate to put a candle on it? Just asking to start a conversation. Here's a few of my Lamps I put together and the shade was the most expensive part -

 

Actually the book dates these to the late 1960's & early 1970's. The plate would keep the candle wax contained & the shade would keep the candle from blowing out. The rings were just to keep the shade in place so to speak & not go off-center on the plate.

Here are a few examples with some of my clear shades.



Of course these were originally sold with a matching Daisy & Button shade. The guy who emailed me said these plates may have got out of the factory without shades because there were more plates or the shades got broken but the plates survived at a store somewhere.

 

Try as I might,its just not making sense to me?!?

 

HA!! I'm TOTALLY confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But after looking at what @bercrystal put together to show us, am a bit less confused!! Maybe an actual photo of the real marriage might help??????