Leonardo da vinci sforza monument study is this drawing or print?

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  1. SUPERJUNK1970

    SUPERJUNK1970 New Member

    I PURCHASED THIS AS A PRINT BUT WHEN I REMOVED FROM FRAME LOOKS MIRE LIKE AN ETCHING OR PRINT. SOME OF LEONARDO'S ORIGINAL HORSE DRAWINGS ARE POSED IDENTICAL BUT IN REVERSE..
    THE BLACK AND WHITE HORSE ON HIS DRAWINGS ARE ACTUALLY ON OPOSITE SIDES FACING THE OTHER WAY AND DO NOT FORM A V WITH THEIR LEGS. ANOTHER DRAWING SHOWS A RIDER WITH A SWORD IN THE SAME SIDEAND POSE BUT HE HAS NO KNIFE ON BUTTOX AND HIS LEGS ARE NOT EXTENDED FORWARD LIKE THIS ONE..
    I RECENTLY SAW ANOTHER STUDY MADE BY A LADY THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE RIDER WITH THE SAME KNIFE AND THE LEGS EXTENDED LIKE THIS ONE AND HAD NO OTHER HORSES. IT WAS UNFINISHED BUT
    IT WAS IDENTICAL. I TRIED FINDING IT AGAIN BUT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. MAYBE SHE DID THIS ONE BUT FIRST I WANT TO KNOW IF THIS IS A DRAWING OR ETCHING?
    NOTICE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE REVERSE OF THIS PICTURE, THE SWORD AND THE KNIFE ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. ALSO THE RIDERS OF THE WHITE AND BLACK HORSE ARE ON OPPOSITE SIDES.
    I DONT KNOW IF ITS PAPER, HEMP, OR VELUM. ITS THIN AND FLEXIBLE...
     
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  2. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Hi there. Please attach your photos to the post. When doing this, please check full image.
     
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  3. SUPERJUNK1970

    SUPERJUNK1970 New Member

    20201025_131117-ccfopt.jpg 20201025_131221-ccfopt.jpg 20201025_132519-ccfopt.jpg 20201025_131654-ccfopt.jpg 20201025_131746-ccfopt.jpg 20201025_131903-ccfopt.jpg 20201025_132113-ccfopt.jpg 20201025_132319-ccfopt.jpg Here are pictures
     
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  4. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Now go back and edit On top of your photos is "full image". Click that.
     
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  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  6. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

    Also, typing in all upper-case is considered 'yelling', and for me, at least, makes it hard to read your post.
     
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  7. SUPERJUNK1970

    SUPERJUNK1970 New Member

    Sorry about upper case.
    My eyesight is not good and
    It's hard for me to see what I'm writing in lower case.
     
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  8. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    @kyratango, maybe a question for you, or anyone else "artsy".....isn't Vellum kind of 'translucent' and doesn't it kind of have ALMOST a 'waxy' feel rather than paper???? Maybe I'm not remembering it???
     
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  9. SUPERJUNK1970

    SUPERJUNK1970 New Member

    I don't know about vellum but I hope your right. It does feel waxie , its translucent, almost like a thin molded plastic .it bends but I dont want to bend it too much and have it snap or crack.
     
  10. smallaxe

    smallaxe Well-Known Member

    I can post a photo of some velum i have from around 1800 if you want to compare. I wouldn't call it waxy, but compared to paper, i guess you might say that.
    It's basically thin rawhide. It still has the natural gluey substances that tanning removes or neutralizes. Those gluey substances bind the fibers and dry stiff and somewhat clear (translucent).
     
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  11. SUPERJUNK1970

    SUPERJUNK1970 New Member

    Please do,
    On my first PICTURES posted, third from top down. It's a close up of what I have.
     
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  12. smallaxe

    smallaxe Well-Known Member

    It's too late for me to do it tonight, but I will post some photos tomorrow morning.
     
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  13. smallaxe

    smallaxe Well-Known Member

    Actually, I did have time. Here are three photos. The first two show the backside, and then front side. Notice you can read the text through the back side. The third is a closeup of an area where the skin was stretched at a weak point of the hide, exposing internal hide fibers. This is velum prepared for a document. It has a very fine and even surface. These are scans off my scanner. Will try a photo tomorrow that might show the texture better with proper side lighting.

    v1.jpg
    v2.jpg
    v3.jpg
     
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  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    you could write in ..a larger font....we can go this big...
     
  15. SUPERJUNK1970

    SUPERJUNK1970 New Member

    It is vellum. While I was doing research, I ran into an article of a professor who bought a drawing and he believes it was done by leonardo. He wrote a book about it, he even found the book from where the drawing was taken. I noticed his drawing had the same black border and the painting depicted sforza daughter. And the book was family history related. His drawing had small pin holes from where it was bound to book. My drawing also has small pin holes. And its book size. If that drawing was taken from the book , maybe this one was too. Now the number on the back of my drawing makes sense. I'm going to email the guy and see what he thinks.
     
  16. smallaxe

    smallaxe Well-Known Member

    Yours does look like it could well be velum, though I'm no expert. I'm sure there are differences in manufacture, especially between times and places (mine is USA ca. 1800). Here is a photo (not scan) of the backside of mine plus a close up from that photo. Let us know what you find out from the professor you mentioned.

    v4.jpg v4b.jpg
     
  17. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Looking forward to hearing back about your research.
     
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