Featured Lithophane porcelian stein w/ pewter lid. Anyone know this bearded military man?

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  1. wildrose

    wildrose Well-Known Member

    Does anyone know who this bearded military man is? He is the lithophane in the bottom of the stein.

    Cannot tell if the damage is in it or on it. Will bleach hurt porcelain?? Thanks! litho.jpg litho1.jpg
     
    wildrose, Apr 4, 2018
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  2. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Don't use bleach. Try peroxide
     
    clutteredcloset49, Apr 4, 2018
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  3. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Can you show a picture of the front of the stein? Are the cards repeated or different all the way around.
     
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  4. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Maybe Frederick III 1831 – 1888 German Emperor and King of Prussia?

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    say_it_slowly, Apr 4, 2018
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  5. wildrose

    wildrose Well-Known Member

    here are more pics! going to find some peroxide and try it out now. Thanks for the tip!


    litho2.jpg litho3.jpg
     
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  6. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Looks like him; it had to be him or Bismark, and it doesn't look like Bismark. Old Fred here was the Kaiser's father. He was Queen Victoria's son-in-law.
     
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  7. wildrose

    wildrose Well-Known Member

    The peroxide did nothing, I think its right in the porcelain. Are these a certain type of playing cards that may play some role in determining the age and maker of this item? Thanks again for all the comments and help with ID of the man.
     
    wildrose, Apr 5, 2018
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  8. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Don't know about the type of playing cards, but I was struck by the hearts, and the jugglers. Was curious what was in the center front. A heart and is that a thistle?

    I don't think it is King Frederick of Prussia.
    There are several things that don't match up. Hair on the forehead, part in the middle. All the pictures of Frederick have nicely trimmed beard. No furrowed brow.
    Also, I cannot find one uniform with the square front

    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-fr...g-of-prussia-emperor-of-germany-41768649.html

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    clutteredcloset49, Apr 6, 2018
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  9. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I have no idea if it's him or not but he seemed to have liked many different uniforms. Here is a double breasted one, hair parted differently.

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    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

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  11. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    I agree with clutteredcloset49, never, ever use bleach on ceramics! It will cause serious damage you really don't want to deal with!
     
    Marie Forjan, Apr 6, 2018
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  12. wildrose

    wildrose Well-Known Member

    thanks guys! I am still looking also.
     
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  13. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    @say_it_slowly
    I agree, it looks an awful lot like Frederick. Except for the scraggly beard. Frederick is always well groomed.
     
    clutteredcloset49, Apr 6, 2018
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