Featured Loetz ? Help Please 2 Pieces

This sort of glass almost never turns up in my neck of the woods, so I bought the lot of 4 pieces yesterday. I'll post 2 here and then do another post with the other 2.
I'm way out of my league on this type of glass and find the Loetz website intimidating, so I'm hoping the experts here can help.
Thanks!

#1 is 3" tall. Is it Crete Papillon?





#2 is 5 3/8" tall. Color is a bit more purple-ish in other light and it has gold iridescence. Loetz or something else?

 

Absolutely stunning whatever they are. The little Loetz I've had sure reminds me of #1, but definitely wait for someone who knows what is what!

 

Nobody's expert here, but they're pretty. The green one looks like a good possibility.

 

nice pieces ascot

does the rim of the red one look ground down?

I agree.

you should ask on the Loetz FB group, they will know

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Loetzcollectorsgroup/media

 

The rim is ground and polished.
I requested to join the FB group and will post there if approved.

 

Update: First one is Crete Papillon, 2nd one is Kralik.

 

Thank you for the follow-up.