Featured Lohengrin, Wagner prelude music score

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  1. Jacqui

    Jacqui Active Member

    Okay I have a music score from 1800s for the lohengrin wagner prelude, it’s a large hardback
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    Now I’ve never been able to find any other copy or anything similar does anyone know where I should look?
     
  2. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    No, but do know where you can ask. Call the Library at whatever college/university is near you which has a good music program.

    Or, try one in Germany.
     
  3. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    That's a good idea.

    I did a WorldCat search and found several different editions cataloged with that publisher. You may need somebody well versed in musical bibliography to help with determining which one you have.

    Here's the result of my search. I hope the link works:

    https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=ti:einleitung+zum+dritten+akt+kw:lohengrin+au:Wagner&qt=advanced&dblist=638

    The first two entries in the list have links to view other editions, and there are many.
     
  4. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Or, just ask Fig!
     
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  5. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    That's close to the extent of my knowledge level regarding musical scores. I've worked with real music librarians in the past and am well aware of their levels of expertise. They know a lot more than I do!
     
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  6. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    My husband is an opera fan to the extent of having a PhD in the subject (also, opera producer), so I asked him. Here is a short resume of what he replied in messenger. He says, it is a concert piece. It includes the introduction to the third act of Lohengrin. It doesn't say transcription, reaction or anything like, that, so we may assume was made by Wagner. The publisher is very old one, it is a an 18th century publisher. This concert version was taken directly from Wagner's full score. It is important to clarify that because in 19th C everybody where doing reductions and adaptations because they wanted to perform just in piano, or with smaller orchestras. Also, this book should come with other instrumental pieces - a collection of scores, aim to be performed by symphony orchestras
     
  7. Jacqui

    Jacqui Active Member

    Thankyou so much! It contains 7 operas in total all of which I think are the original partiturs the operas are
    Lohengrin

    Tristan und Isokde

    Meistersinger Von Hurnberg

    DerRitt Dee malkuren

    Trauermarsch

    Huldigungs-Marsch

    Siegfried-Idyll

    It was owned by a e g Cuthbert f atchley from the inscription on the cover
     
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  8. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    My husband says, what a nice collection :)
     
  9. Jacqui

    Jacqui Active Member

    Thankyou and I really appreciate everyone’s efforts in helping me!! Xx
     
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  10. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    the interesting part is "Eigenthum der Verleger". property of editors.
    the story could hint towards a very early and rare print by Breitkopf & Härtel. seems before Wagner became godlike he was forced to sell his works to the editors including the rights to reprint. at some point they seem to have been at loggerheads about the money and separated.
    https://www.breitkopf.com/composer/1045
     
  11. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Interesting information under that link!
     
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  12. Jacqui

    Jacqui Active Member

    Hi I cannot Thankyou enough for all your help it’s got me motivated to delve into looking into this again, when I have more details I will let you know x
     
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  13. Jacqui

    Jacqui Active Member

    Well I’ve been looking into it further and the plate numbers are quite exciting when I started taking a look, I don’t know if anyone knows a resource where I can look all of them up but these are the numbers
    22430
    20533
    21953
    21998
    22139
    18469bis
    10000
    14352
    12870
    10941

    Jacqui x
     
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  14. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    that was certainly a good idea, but I doubt it that there's a list around.
     
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  15. Jacqui

    Jacqui Active Member

    I think you are right I’m having to look individually 93D4DF05-302C-4037-BD4D-94BD8A767A2C.png
     
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    Fid Well-Known Member

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