Featured Martin Hall & Co Identification

Discussion in 'Silver' started by escmode, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. escmode

    escmode Member

    Hi all,


    My second post here... although the first in the Silver forum. I'm a newbie and so at this point, I'm clueless on every item I pick-up! But I do enjoy the researching process.

    Photo's below.


    Here what I know about this item:


    Made by Martin Hall & Co, sometime between 1854-1866 (that’s the period they used a shield)


    Here's what I don't know or would love it if you could confirm:


    • Does the 'S' on the right-hand side denote 'Sheffield' ?
    • Does the 'P' at the top indicate the year (c 1858)?
    • Is it silver-plate (because it doesn't carry a sterling silver hallmark)?
    • I don't think it's 'Martinoid' or electro-plate, because it would carry a stamp indicating that?
    • Is it a milk jug, a tea pot (originally part of a set)..or none of these?
    • Is the '9348' number just an in-house serial number?
    • I don't know what the further most left or bottom symbols are?
    • Lastly, I've done quite an extensive ebay search of current and completed listings and couldn't find an identical piece. So how do you measure the rarity or value of an item?
    Thank you so much for any clarifications.

    Cheers,
    Patrick

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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    it's very handsome....worthy of shelf space....but not sterling.
     
  3. Houseful

    Houseful Well-Known Member

    When I see a P and an S on a silver item I think of EPNS, electro plated nickel silver. So the other letters might be an E and an N? It’s hard to tell what letters they are but the P and the S are clear.
     
  4. escmode

    escmode Member

    Yea, I think you're right. The way they are layed out fooled me, but I found a clearer EPNS stamp using the same symbols here (3rd image down):
    http://www.silvercollection.it/dictionaryEPNS.html

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    So is it a milk jug, a tea pot (originally part of a set)..or none of these? Is the '9348' number just an factory serial number?

    Thanks,
    Patrick


     
  5. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    I see 2 in a similar shape, sellers call hot wine jug, but they both have Image of Bacchus. What size is this?
     
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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    maybe a claret jug...
     
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  7. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    604408B9-0628-4840-9FEF-3018BC22AC2A.jpeg 9F253830-C742-4416-B085-DE22F4496490.jpeg These are both made by Martin Hall and are Silverplate. I thought they were similar in shape to yours.
     
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  8. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The number on the bottom is just the manufacturer's design number.
     
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  9. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    It's not a teapot - it doesn't have a spout.
    It's a pitcher for something.

    If you gave a size or how much it holds, I missed it.

    Could be part of a set. Could be it was sold by itself.

    You mark is an electroplate mark
    http://www.silvercollection.it/ENGLAMARTINHALL.html
     
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  10. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    your photos are excellent Patrick:)
     
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  11. escmode

    escmode Member

    Thank you!! I do put a lot of effort into my photo's, so that means a lot. And thanks to everyone else.

    'I need help', I did see the Christopher Dresser / Martin Hall jug on ebay - I couldn't believe the price he was asking, £399 !

    I noticed the design number on that one is 9126, whereas mine is 9348. Maybe Martin Hall adapted the Christopher Dresser design shortly after? I acually prefer the simpler design, without the 'green man' on the front.

    I found the same Christopher Dresser design on ebay that sold for £130 and a more intricate silver plated kettle which sold for £195.

    Mine is a bit smaller:

    Height: 14cm
    Widest point across: 8.5cm
    Top width (mouth): 5.5cm
    Weight: 251g (0.25 kg)

    Cheers,
    Patrick
     
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  12. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    If google conversion is correct:

    14 cm equals approx 5 1/2 inches.
    I think it is a creamer. So yes it could be part of a set.
     
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