Mason's Ironstone, Real or fake?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by 916Bulldogs123, Sep 13, 2014.

  1. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Hope someone might be able to help me on this one.
    There are two letters incised on the bottom edge looks like a B and an N?

    Mikey

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  2. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Something doesn't look quite right -- the wriggly line above "Patent Ironstone" appears different from genuine marks, and the letter's in "Mason's" seem too close together. But I certainly don't know for sure. The base looks a bit flat, too. Here's a link to some marks if you haven't seen it: http://www.janicepaull.com/xmark/marks.htm
     
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  3. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Hard to see why anyone would fake a very utilitarian maker like Mason's. Here's a huge genuine piece I don't consider worth bringine in from the shed.

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  4. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    Turkey platters are big sellers here. I love old Mason's but no more room. I have seven sets of china now down from the 16 I used to have.
    greg
     
  5. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Kentworld i saw that site and mine looks most like mark #12.Beautiful. platter. af.
    Greg if you think you have too many
    ill take some off your hands
     
  6. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Af, if you would like to give away the turkey platter I'm sure you would have some takers in the U.S. :angelic:
     
  7. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    If you ship surface mail in the next week, it will probably arrive in time for Christmas, but I wouldn't count on it arriving in time for U.S. Thanksgiving.
     
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  8. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Definitely not in time for Canadian Thanksgiving... maybe U.S., though? (I'm an optimist by nature.)
     
  9. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Fig , it would cost more than it's worth to ship it to London, let alone America. It is very heavy.
     
  10. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

    What throws me off on this, it the *muddy-ness* of the impressed letters on the bottom - that and the shiney-ness of the bottom.
    I am used to seeing them sharper (if still unreadable :)).
    However, most all the Chinese fakes I have seen, have lettering mostly unreadable. One can almost make out what they are, but not quite.
    By the way, the last lettering of which I spoke, was the lettering used for the fake company mark.
     
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  11. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Oh, well... it was an idea, anyway.
     
  12. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Given the history of Blue nad White, and the original 'Chinese' style wares made in Holland and England, a tradition followed by Mason's, much later, it would be very fitting to have in a Blue and White collection, a Chinese piece imitating an imitation Chinese piece, or at least a piece imitating an imitation of a Chinese piece.
     
  13. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi Mikey,
    I have my doubts about your piece. It looks right and wear and bleeds look right but I am getting a strange vibe. It is not one of the new Asian fakes. I wonder if it could have been a "second". What I am trying to say is I do not know one way or the other.
    greg
     
  14. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    af if you look at ebay completed listings you will see your platter sold for 425.00 USD.
     
  15. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    That seems rather a lot. Unable to sign in at the moment, or use advanced search, must be the current outage.
     
  16. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    same here, I have been trying for half an hour now. I can get to my ebay but when I try to search it goes blank.
     
  17. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Replacemts has one of the same and is asking $499.00...
     
  18. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Actually, I agree with AF -- why bother imitating Mason's? But you never know and there's just enough about your piece to make me go "Hmmm..." It's quite likely genuine, but I haven't handled/seen enough Mason's to be certain. Blue willow sells all the time, though.
     
  19. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    Some day, I want to go on vacation to AF's shed.
     
  20. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I agree with AF and Kentworld - who'd fake Mason's? I don't do porcelain much, but I'd be much more inclined to question it if it were Capodimonte (faked left and right) or something like Meissen (faked almost ab initio), Royal Vienna, KPM or something. It would cost more to fake Mason's than Mason's is worth. It might be a purely utilitarian piece - hotel ware or something. That would account for it.
     
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